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From Kay Schenk <kay.sch...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [RELEASE] new DL test...needs review and comments, and probably correction
Date Mon, 30 Apr 2012 16:08:24 GMT
On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 5:53 AM, Rob Weir <robweir@apache.org> wrote:

> On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 10:53 PM, Kay Schenk <kay.schenk@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 3:22 PM, Kay Schenk <kay.schenk@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> On 04/27/2012 01:46 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 4:31 PM, Andrea Pescetti<pescetti@apache.org>
> >>>  wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Kay Schenk wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Please take a look at and give feedback on a test page for the new
> >>>>> /download/index.html page at:
> >>>>> http://www.openoffice.org/**download/test/index_new_dl.**html<
> http://www.openoffice.org/download/test/index_new_dl.html>
> >>>>> Yes, it's a bit strange with lots of nonsense at the top that I
> wanted
> >>>>> you to see, but will of course go away in production.
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> The page is nice, but it's the concept that leaves me dubious.
> >>>>
> >>>> We have another thread
> >>>> http://comments.gmane.org/**gmane.comp.apache.incubator.**
> >>>> ooo.devel/16219<
> http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.apache.incubator.ooo.devel/16219>
> >>>> where there seems to be consensus towards a solution that:
> >>>> 1) Uses SF (and possibly Apache) for the web-based downloads
> >>>> 2) Does not phase out MirrorBrain, and uses it for the updates (i.e.,
> >>>> downloads initiated by OpenOffice with the "Look for updates"
> function)
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> That's what I understand as well.
> >>>
> >>
> >> oh -- OK. I thought we were going to use MirrorBrain for 3.3 DLs as well
> >> -- i.e. what Marcus will be working on. I know right now, we're using
> >> SourceForge for that though.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>  The "possibly Apache" in 1) is due to the fact that I haven't
> understood
> >>>> yet
> >>>> what technology Apache will be using and if Apache will distribute
> only
> >>>> sources or binaries too (it's obvious that we as a project will
> release
> >>>> sources and binaries, but I'm not 100% sure that Apache wants to put
> >>>> binaries on its mirrors too: I think so).
> >>>>
> >>>
> >> Well it's not all that complicated actually. Take a look at the security
> >> patch info page...
> >>
> >> http://www.openoffice.org/**security/cves/CVE-2012-0037.**html<
> http://www.openoffice.org/security/cves/CVE-2012-0037.html>
> >>
> >> and you can see what the link looks like.
> >>
> >> Actual source/binaries are, for us, put in:
> >>
> >> http://www.apache.org/dist/**incubator/ooo/<
> http://www.apache.org/dist/incubator/ooo/>
> >>
> >> This said, you could be right in having issues tracking down problems.
> >> Right now, the SF setup is more "user friendly" in my opinion. I
> thought we
> >> were *required* to use Apache for downloads, but maybe we've gotten a
> >> dispensation for this release. Though I didn't think is was 100%
> someplace
> >> else. I admit I haven't kept up as much as I should have though.
> >>
> >> The other issue is how will it LOOK to users -- one moment they may be
> one
> >> place; if they happen to do a shift-reload, they may go someplace else
> with
> >> an entirely different look and feel.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>> Fact is, we should avoid the random selection as much as possible,
> >>>> mainly to
> >>>> be able to quickly identify problems, and you will see details in that
> >>>> thread. The cleaner separation we can get, the better.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> So how about something very simple:
> >>>
> >>> 1) AOO 3.4 downloads use SourceForge by default from the
> >>> /download/index.html page.  Just like they are doing today.
> >>>
> >>
> >> This WOULD make things a lot simpler.
> >>
> >>
> >>> But we also have a links there that point to Apache mirrors for:
> >>>
> >>> a) Hashes and detached signatures
> >>> b) source distribution
> >>> c) a link to the full release tree
> >>>
> >>
> >> Well, SF will need to implement in their sidebar or the main page for
> >> openoffice.org they have, right?
> >>
> >> Anyway, good conversation.
> >>
> >>
> >>> In other words, no rolling the dice, noting fancy.  100% of normal
> >>> users will download from SF.
> >>>
> >>> 2) When we enable the automated updates, in a week or two, then we
> >>> decide what we want to do.  Maybe we do it via SF.  Maybe MirrorBrain.
> >>>  Maybe a mix,
> >>>
> >>>  On the other side, release time is approaching and I can only hope
> that
> >>>> talks between Peter Poeml (MirrorBrain author) and Apache Infra, that
> had
> >>>> started on this list, are progressing now.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> I think it is too late for any of those talks to influence how we deal
> >>> with AOO 3.4 initial downloads.  But maybe the update downloads in a
> >>> couple of weeks.
> >>>
> >>> -Rob
> >>>
> >>>  Regards,
> >>>>  Andrea.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >> --
> >> ------------------------------**------------------------------**
> >> ------------
> >> MzK
> >>
> >> "Well, life has a funny way of sneaking up on you
> >>  And life has a funny way of helping you out
> >>  Helping you out."
> >>                            -- "Ironic", Alanis Morissette
> >>
> >
> >
> > Ok, I am hoping this will be about the last, final review on the new
> > download/index.html --
> >
> > prototype at:
> >
> > http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/download/test/index_new_dl.html
> >
> > This assumes SourceForge ONLY, and that the  3.4 pre-built client packs
> > will be in the hiearchy as the 3.3 is -- stable, etc.
> >
> > Naturally NONE of the links will work until something gets out there and
> > there is a TON of alerts which I will of course eventually comment out.
> >
> >
> > It suddenly dawned on me *just today* that we don't want to continue to
> > generate links for OSes we no longer support now, like Sun's retinue, and
> > for some reason because of how this all operates, it took me forever to
> fix
> > this one aspect.  I could have not bothered with this but well, I didn't
> > want to lead folks astray with a "not found" -- so they will now get sent
> > to "other.html".
> >
> > So, please test with what you've got and I hope for ALL platforms that we
> > do support, you get a link that looks to be correct.
> >
>
> The link looks good for me, including the trailing "/download" that
> SourceForge needs.
>
> A few things:
>
> 1) Text should be 'Apache OpenOffice' not 'OpenOffice.org'
>

Ok-- I did miss this...

>
> 2) Google Analytics needs to enable on the page.
>

OK, I'll add this...


>
> 3) We need to get a link to the source code in there someplace.
>

again, OK, I'll add to the "options" box below the main light green BIG DL
area


>
> 4) The original page had a link for extensions and templates.  The new
> one only has extensions.  Was this intentional?
>

Hmmm...OK,  maybe I started out with an older copy and templates got added
later. I will add this section.


>
> Otherwise, it looks good!
>
> I can help with some of these, especially #2, but I'll wait to see if
> there are any bigger changes first.
>

ok, good...

I will make these mods today and post another revision -- maybe even
without the "alerts" if I'm feeling more confident! :/


>
> -Rob
>
>
> > ps. I'm assuming that we will house the actual "source" artifact from
> > Apache and this will show up in other.html as well when someone provides
> > this information.
>

OK, I see Jurgen's message on this one...Apache instructions say NOT to use
a direct link to "/dist" so I'll sue closer.cgi on source link only and
hope for the best.


onward and upward...

> >
> >
> > --
> >
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > MzK
> >
> > "Well, life has a funny way of sneaking up on you
> >  And life has a funny way of helping you out
> >  Helping you out."
> >                            -- "Ironic", Alanis Morissette
>



-- 
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
MzK

"Well, life has a funny way of sneaking up on you
 And life has a funny way of helping you out
 Helping you out."
                            -- "Ironic", Alanis Morissette

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