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From Roberto Galoppini <rgalopp...@geek.net>
Subject Re: Apache OpenOffice Project Twitter Account
Date Thu, 19 Apr 2012 14:41:40 GMT
On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 4:33 PM, Alexandro Colorado <jza@apache.org> wrote:
> On 4/19/12, Roberto Galoppini <rgaloppini@geek.net> wrote:
>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 4:10 PM, Alexandro Colorado <jza@apache.org> wrote:
>>> On 4/19/12, Roberto Galoppini <rgaloppini@geek.net> wrote:
>>>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 3:19 PM, Alexandro Colorado <jza@apache.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> On 4/19/12, Rob Weir <robweir@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 2:18 PM, Alexandro Colorado <jza@apache.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 4/19/12, Rob Weir <robweir@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 12:42 PM, Ian Lynch <ianrlynch@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 19 April 2012 11:34, Alexandro Colorado <jza@apache.org>
wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> What is your concern here?
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> Rob contacted me on the matter, and I reply
back into the thread
>>>>>>>>>> >> and
>>>>>>>>>> >> now he said that nobody replied and refer
to his decisions as
>>>>>>>>>> >> we,
>>>>>>>>>> >> when
>>>>>>>>>> >> he is the one alone making how things are
shaping.
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> > Alexandro are you actually the maintainer of
the @openofficeorg
>>>>>>>>>> > account?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> yes I am.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> > If this is the case, guess we could go in a
different direction,
>>>>>>>>>> > if
>>>>>>>>>> > not I guess the only option we have at this
time is to create
>>>>>>>>>> > another
>>>>>>>>>> > one.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> My point is exactly that, Rob did contact me about
the issue then
>>>>>>>>>> said
>>>>>>>>>> nobody reply to him.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Seems @openofficeorg has 1500 followers already. Unless
there is
>>>>>>>>> another
>>>>>>>>> twitter account with more followers, I can't see much
logic in not
>>>>>>>>> simply
>>>>>>>>> building around this account. Just need some strategic
tweets so we
>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>>>> followers to retweet and get more followers. If Alexandro
is willing
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> maintain this as a PPMC member, what is the problem?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have asked Alexandro many times over several months whether
he
>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>> put that Twitter account under the control of the AOO PPMC,
rather
>>>>>>>> than treat it as his personal account.  He has not agreed
to do
>>>>>>>> this,so I've made a new account which I am putting under
PPMC
>>>>>>>> control.
>>>>>>>>  We've had this discussion, in open, on this list.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I dont remember having this discussion with you. So what are
you
>>>>>>> talking
>>>>>>> about?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In this thread, on this list and several times.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For example, 8 days ago I wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Hi Alexandro -- Is the above your Twitter account?  If so, would
you
>>>>>> be willing to contribute it to the AOO project, so we can rebrand
it
>>>>>> and allow other PMC members to have write access to it, etc.?"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You didn't seem to understand that, perhaps due to my poor
>>>>>> description.  So I described in more detail what I was looking for:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "By "contribute to the AOO project" I mean give control to the AOO
PMC,
>>>>>> so we can use it as a project-wide account, similar to how we treat
>>>>>> the blog:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -- Any PPMC member, upon request, can have write access.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -- We can use the project's official logo in conjunction with the
>>>>>> account.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -- We would promote the account on our project's website.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -- We would generally treat the account as an official voice of the
>>>>>> project, not as a personal account."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Again, no response.  Instead of giving a straightforward yes or
no
>>>>>> answer, you changed the subject to debating support questions via
>>>>>> Twitter.
>>>>>
>>>>> Which means that I want to discuss this first before moving the
>>>>> account or creating a new one.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is the question I'm asking clear?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've done the work.  I've done the research.  I've worked
this
>>>>>>>> through
>>>>>>>> the community.  I've created the account.  I've applied
the Apache
>>>>>>>> branding.  I've signed up other PPMC members to have access
to this
>>>>>>>> account.  I've updated the website.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Then what you mean with 'I never recieved a reply'. Rob you are
acting
>>>>>>> on your own, and that is really not good for the community not
your
>>>>>>> reputation of power grabber.  Is very skewed the way you reffer
>>>>>>> yourself as 'we', when is only you acting on your own behalf.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm not acting on my own at all.  I'm creating an account for use
by
>>>>>> any PPMC member who want to volunteer to help with this Twitter
>>>>>> account.  I'm discussing how we use Twitter and Google+ as a project,
>>>>>
>>>>> Great but we had that already. Why are you duplicating efforts?
>>>>
>>>> Ok, if I understand it right you're open to provide the PPMC with the
>>>> ability to control that account, that means allign the logo,
>>>> description, etc to what the PPMC thinks is appropriate, as well as to
>>>> have other PPMC members to join the club and tweet.
>>>>
>>>> Is it correct? If not please ask questions you believe went unanswered.
>>>
>>> The point I made before, was about dealing how will structured be
>>> handled. I don't think sharing credentials is a good practice. (is
>>> like sharing root password through many users). After I understand the
>>> methodology I will contribute the account credentials to
>>> infrastructure.
>>
>> Agree 100% on the security side. So, what is needed from us to move
>> things on, what's missing on our part?
>
> Well before cotweet service use to work in this situations having
> multiple mantainers, cotweet has change its business model as of feb
> 15 and the others are also non-free or beta stage. We will need to
> look and try services that will allow us to have multiple account
> contributors. I have done my search and at the moment the only
> reliable service is the one I mentioned before (Ping.fm) but only for
> twitter (no fb or G+).
>
> Ping.fm is only useful for publishing, not interacting with users,
> which is also a problem. BirdHeard seems to be beta and will
> eventually charge for this, so we need to look for a service that
> allow us for all to interact.

Just give Infra control, and let them sort out those details.
Unless you don't trust Infra - hope not - this seems to me the best
thing to do to share it.

Roberto

>
>>
>> Roberto
>>
>>>
>>>> I'm pretty sure people on this list are open to keep providing answers
>>>> to end-users, yet to make all necessary changes to have blog post news
>>>> as well as other news automated. Unless you see a problem with moving
>>>> in this direction, it seems like we are all on the same page.
>>>>
>>>> Roberto
>>>>
>>>>>> and I'm doing this openly on the public list.   This is a topic
I've
>>>>>> raised repeatedly on ooo-dev and ooo-private for several months.
 Now
>>>>>> that we are nearing release time for 3.4 it is time for moving forward
>>>>>> with these proposals.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Acting on your own" sounds more like PPMC members who sit on such
>>>>>> accounts, treat them as personal accounts, and never offer them to
the
>>>>>> PPMC, and never worked with the PPMC to make the best use of them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Well these accounts were long before the PPMC ever existed, and at the
>>>>> same time, were available for the group before there was a PPMC. PPMC
>>>>> can join in anytime they want. But like I mentioned, the service to
>>>>> handled this is no longer available, and we need to tie them to a new
>>>>> service.
>>>>>
>>>>> Again if all fails, you can always email me the post to be launched.
I
>>>>> dont see a dealbreaker. But acting like nobody replied to you, is a
>>>>> skewed message for everybody.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This is not about how many people follow the account.  The
question
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> purely about which account can be under PPMC control and
thus be the
>>>>>>>> official account.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What you mean with PPMC control, I am a PPMC and I control the
>>>>>>> account. So what exactly is the issue here? Do you want to have
>>>>>>> control of the account? If so please say so and not act as a
'we' when
>>>>>>> is an 'I'.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Having it controlled by a single PPMC member is not the same as "under
>>>>>> PPMC control".  That is not what I am aiming for at all.
>>>>>
>>>>> Agreed, thats why I want more information on how can we achieved PPMC
>>>>> control and what is the timeframe. I thought that's what we were
>>>>> discussing before you claiming you never received any reply from the
>>>>> account owner.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -Rob
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Ian
>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Alexandro Colorado
>>>>>>> OpenOffice.org Español
>>>>>>> http://es.openoffice.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Alexandro Colorado
>>>>> OpenOffice.org Español
>>>>> http://es.openoffice.org
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>>> --
>>> Alexandro Colorado
>>> OpenOffice.org Español
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> Alexandro Colorado
> OpenOffice.org Español
> http://es.openoffice.org
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