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From Roberto Galoppini <rgalopp...@geek.net>
Subject Re: Apache OpenOffice Project Twitter Account
Date Thu, 19 Apr 2012 10:24:47 GMT
On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 10:08 AM, Alexandro Colorado <jza@apache.org> wrote:
> On 4/19/12, Jürgen Schmidt <jogischmidt@googlemail.com> wrote:
>> On 4/19/12 9:41 AM, Alexandro Colorado wrote:
>>> On 4/19/12, Rob Weir<robweir@apache.org>  wrote:
>>>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 2:07 AM, Alexandro Colorado<jza@apache.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> On 4/18/12, Rob Weir<robweir@apache.org>  wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 3:36 PM, Roberto Galoppini<rgaloppini@geek.net>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 7:08 PM, Alexandro Colorado<jza@apache.org>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 4/17/12, drew<drew@baseanswers.com>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 2012-04-17 at 11:15 -0500, Alexandro Colorado
wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> My point is that we are going to be bombarded with
support
>>>>>>>>>> questions,
>>>>>>>>>> regardless if we choose not to, is not up to us.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sure you can redirect them to the ML/Forums, but
that would be done
>>>>>>>>>> 99% of the time, which will frustrate the user and
the handlers.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That's the point I wanted to make based on the experience
of
>>>>>>>>>> handling
>>>>>>>>>> these accounts in the past.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Like I said, I am more concern with solving the issue
of operation
>>>>>>>>>> first than figuring out which new accounts to create
and why/why
>>>>>>>>>> not.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Well, I am not advocating removal of any existing accounts.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am sure you didn't. That is not what I said.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Alexandro and all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Will @openofficeorg be under the Apache OpenOffice control? If
this is
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> case, I wonder if it wouldn't be better to use that one instead
of the
>>>>>>> new
>>>>>>> ones. In case I'd recommend to upload the new logo, as well as
to
>>>>>>> update
>>>>>>> the short description.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We've tried to contact the owner of @openofficeorg, to discuss putting
>>>>>> this account under PPMC control.  We have no had success with that.
So
>>>>>> we're going forward with a new account.  It should be easy and quick
>>>>>> to get a similar number of followers once we promote it on the
>>>>>> homepage.
>>>>>
>>>>> Who decided this? you?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Decided what? That it would be easy to get a similar number of
>>>> followers?  That is purely my estimate, based on the fact that we've
>>>> managed to get almost 8000 users to sign up on the ooo-announce list.
>>>> Following someone on Twitter should is much easier than signing up on
>>>> an ezmlm list.   So if we have 8000 there, getting  more than 1500
>>>> Twitter followers should not be hard.
>>>
>>> So you are deciding things? When you said 'we're going forward' you
>>> mean you are moving forward.
>>
>> I think you misunderstand something here. Rob decided not on his own, I
>
> No way to prove that.
>
>> think it was the outcome of this longer discussion. and if the owner of
>> the existing account doesn't reply it is natural to move forward with a
>> new one, isn't it?
>>
>> What is your concern here?
>
> Rob contacted me on the matter, and I reply back into the thread and
> now he said that nobody replied and refer to his decisions as we, when
> he is the one alone making how things are shaping.

Alexandro are you actually the maintainer of the @openofficeorg account?

If this is the case, guess we could go in a different direction, if
not I guess the only option we have at this time is to create another
one.

Roberto

>
>>
>> Juergen
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What I am advocating is the creation of a set un-ambiguous
official
>>>>>>>>> Apache OpenOffice project accounts.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> what will happened when the unambigous official account get
support
>>>>>>>> inquiries everyday?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I had a look at the flow of questions and answers, it seems manageable
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> me.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I believe that there is work needing to be done to establish
the
>>>>>>>>> Apache
>>>>>>>>> OpenOffice identity.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It seems to me that this is an appropriate step to further
that
>>>>>>>>> goal.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here my list of recommendations:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1. Rebranding existing accounts (see above)
>>>>>>> 2. Spend some time to choose (few) people to follow (maybe using
>>>>>>> keywords
>>>>>>> like office suites, odf, open standards, etc).
>>>>>>>     As of today only Alexandro and Rob are followed by @openofficeorg,
>>>>>>> think we should spend some time to choose people to follow, so
that it
>>>>>>> could be easier to engage in conversations using tools like
>>>>>>> googlefinder,
>>>>>>> Listorious, etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That is an interesting point.  Many people decide who to follow
based
>>>>>> on recommendation engines that look at existing following patterns
in
>>>>>> Twitter.  So having a good set of mutual followers will help.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 3. Start simple. So announcements, news from our blog, new committers,
>>>>>>> etc.
>>>>>>> 4. Be consistent. Two message a day could be a good starting
point,
>>>>>>> maybe
>>>>>>> once a day over the week-ends.
>>>>>>> 5. Don't follow back just for the sake of it, it's wise to follow
only
>>>>>>> people we might want to engage with.
>>>>>>> 6. Start conversations with people we know, related projects,
etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For example, we might congratulate other OSS projects,Apache and
>>>>>> external, that make new releases, if these would be of interest to
our
>>>>>> followers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 7. Establish a clear policy about language style, but especially
for
>>>>>>> how
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> handle "crises"
>>>>>>> 8. Use a tool to measure our improvements, both Klout and PeerIndex
>>>>>>> may
>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>> useful in this respect.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Roberto
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sure I agree, but my point is really about how to do it based
on
>>>>>>>> previous issues.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> //drew
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 4/17/12, drew<drew@baseanswers.com>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 2012-04-17 at 11:02 -0500, Alexandro
Colorado wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> I think this provide a bit of confussion
on the user end. Also I
>>>>>>>>>>>> recognize the struggle of keeping the accounts
active. Making
>>>>>>>> multiple
>>>>>>>>>>>> accounts will increase the job.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The blog itself has not been updated that
frequently, and I am
>>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>>> sure if this will increase as we get a release.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Most of the use of the accounts on my experience
is support-like
>>>>>>>>>>>> issues. So relying on one single point of
contact is also pretty
>>>>>>>>>>>> bad.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Having an AOO-Support and AOO-Annoucement
is equally not good
>>>>>>>> strategy
>>>>>>>>>>>> in my account because people will tend to
stick to the account
>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>> they see crossing their path. (Just because
we structure one way,
>>>>>>>>>>>> doesnt mean users will do so).
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> One of the issues of openofficeorg accounts
both on Facebook
>>>>>>>>>>>> Google
>>>>>>>>>>>> plus and twitter had been the issue of keeping
the content fresh
>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>> also interacting as a group as opposed to
an individual.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I would argue to stop taking liberties on
creating new accounts
>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>> instead take liberties on designing a good
strategy to solve some
>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>> these basic issues that tackle these problems.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> So far I am not even sure how these accounts
could be handle by
>>>>>>>>>>>> infrastructure and what are the requirements.
Rob mention that
>>>>>>>>>>>> infrastructure should manage these, but I
am also not sure how
>>>>>>>>>>>> long
>>>>>>>>>>>> will they take to proxy the messages specially
when it comes to
>>>>>>>>>>>> support and we get 100 inquiries a day (for
example).
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Alexandro,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Good points - I would simply emphasize that I
am not at all saying
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>> the apacheoo accounts should be about support
- not at all.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The ApacheOO accounts (lets focus on just twitter
and identi.ca)
>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>> moment - would be used specifically as a broadcast
mechanism.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> How I as envisioning it, at least.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> //drew
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/17/12, drew<drew@baseanswers.com>
 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 2012-04-16 at 00:50 -0400, drew
wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 2012-04-15 at 18:25 -0400,
Rob Weir wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 12:08
PM, drew
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <drew@baseanswers.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 2012-04-11 at 17:43
+0200, Roberto Galoppini
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 11, 2012
at 4:09 PM, Rob Weir<
>>>>>>>> robweir@apache.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Social media outreach,
via Twitter, Facebook, Google+,
>>>>>>>> etc.,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> important part of
outreach to users. Although the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> developer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> community is firmly
rooted in mailing lists, we know
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> our
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> users
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> live in a different
world.   If we want to engage with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use the tools that
they use, and communicate the way
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> communicate.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now that we're very
close to the AOO 3.4 release, I'd
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> start
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with a project Twitter
account, under PPMC control.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> By "under PPMC control"
I mean something similar to how
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> treat
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> project blog:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- Any PPMC member,
upon request, can have write
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> access.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- We can use the
project's official logo in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> conjunction
>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> account.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- We would promote
the account on our project's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> website.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- We would generally
treat the account as an official
>>>>>>>> voice
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> project, not as a
personal account.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not saying we
need to pre-review and and approve
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> every
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "tweet"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sent through the
account.  But we should set
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> expectations
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> account is to be
used in a professional fashion,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> upholding
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> standards of this
project, not used to settle personal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> disputes,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> promote personal
business, etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> An option could be to
agree on a simple guideline for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that,
>>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> everyone knows how to
handle it. I'm thinking not only
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> style of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> communication, but also
about who to follow, how to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> engage
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> conversations, improve
outreach, etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There are already
several Twitter accounts that use the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OOo
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> name
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trademarks:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://twitter.com/#!/openofficeorg
 --- This account
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1571
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> followers.  But
it is not sharing any AOO status, no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> links
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blog
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> posts, announcements,
etc.  Who controls it?  Are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we able to get it
under PPMC control?  Can we rebrand
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OpenOffice?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That could be a good
starting point, I think. It seems
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you're
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only one who can send
DM to the actual owner's account.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://twitter.com/#!/openoffice
-- This account seems
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unused.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Only one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tweet.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd try to get that it
too. It's better than ApacheOO,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> might
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> want
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to put the full name
in the Settings>  Account>  Name.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Roberto, Rob
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I just did so now, and followed
up with an email to the
>>>>>>>> account
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contact
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the whois database for
the domain listed, the linked
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sub-domain
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been dead for a while IIRC,
though the main site is alive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anyway,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> report back when (or if)
I hear anything back.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Drew,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It has been 5 days now.  Have
you received any response from
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> domain
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> owner?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No nothing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If not, I'm ready to go with
a new account:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://twitter.com/#!/apacheoo
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a good account name for an announcement
stream, even with the
>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IMO.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Howdy all,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wanted to follow up on this.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> As I think about, IMO, this is a good
moment to use a new
>>>>>>>> account(s)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a more formal, account of record if you
will, for the project;
>>>>>>>> Apache
>>>>>>>>>>>>> OpenOffice. The use of the apache in
the account name makes
>>>>>>>>>>>>> very
>>>>>>>> good
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sense to me for this purpose.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The flip side of that then would be to
treat the existing
>>>>>>>>>>>>> social
>>>>>>>>>>>>> media
>>>>>>>>>>>>> account as more community, less formal,
voices.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyawy - the apacheoo does get my vote
for an appropriate name,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> project account.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I took the liberty then to register the
same name with the
>>>>>>>> identi.ca
>>>>>>>>>>>>> network.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://identi.ca/apacheoo
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> IMO identi.ca, which has a smaller user
base then twitter,
>>>>>>>> represents
>>>>>>>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>>>>>>> important target group to the project.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The two accounts, if we use them for
this, should be tied
>>>>>>>>>>>>> together.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Certainly at the level that a post to
the identi.ca should
>>>>>>>>>>>>> automatically
>>>>>>>>>>>>> broadcast to the twitter network. (easy
to do)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> A couple of thoughts on 'formal account
of record':
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Would recommend that the accounts not
be used to follow lots of
>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>>>>>>> accounts.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The accounts should not be used to re-tweet
others messages.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The accounts should _not_ be used for
auto-generated scheduled
>>>>>>>>>>>>> postings.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The accounts do need to be used on a
regular basis to build up
>>>>>>>>>>>>> followers.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ability to 'follow' the accounts needs
to be easily done within
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> main
>>>>>>>>>>>>> web infrastructure and there should be
some naturally well
>>>>>>>>>>>>> fitting
>>>>>>>>>>>>> locations where that can be done.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyone using the accounts should remember
to keep the message
>>>>>>>> focused
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the project.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, that's a good spot to shutup huh
:-) and let folks add
>>>>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wisdom here.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> So what you think - Use the new ApacheOO
accounts?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> //drew
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> //drew
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have it configured with the
BirdHerd service, so up to 10
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PPMC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> members will be able send tweets
via that account.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Rob
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> //drew
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Alexandro Colorado
>>>>>>>> OpenOffice.org Español
>>>>>>>> http://es.openoffice.org
>>>>>>>>
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