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From Roberto Galoppini <rgalopp...@geek.net>
Subject Re: Apache OpenOffice Project Twitter Account
Date Thu, 19 Apr 2012 14:26:26 GMT
On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 4:10 PM, Alexandro Colorado <jza@apache.org> wrote:
> On 4/19/12, Roberto Galoppini <rgaloppini@geek.net> wrote:
>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 3:19 PM, Alexandro Colorado <jza@apache.org> wrote:
>>> On 4/19/12, Rob Weir <robweir@apache.org> wrote:
>>>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 2:18 PM, Alexandro Colorado <jza@apache.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> On 4/19/12, Rob Weir <robweir@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 12:42 PM, Ian Lynch <ianrlynch@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 19 April 2012 11:34, Alexandro Colorado <jza@apache.org>
wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What is your concern here?
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> Rob contacted me on the matter, and I reply back
into the thread
>>>>>>>> >> and
>>>>>>>> >> now he said that nobody replied and refer to his
decisions as we,
>>>>>>>> >> when
>>>>>>>> >> he is the one alone making how things are shaping.
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > Alexandro are you actually the maintainer of the @openofficeorg
>>>>>>>> > account?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> yes I am.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > If this is the case, guess we could go in a different
direction, if
>>>>>>>> > not I guess the only option we have at this time is
to create
>>>>>>>> > another
>>>>>>>> > one.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My point is exactly that, Rob did contact me about the issue
then
>>>>>>>> said
>>>>>>>> nobody reply to him.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Seems @openofficeorg has 1500 followers already. Unless there
is
>>>>>>> another
>>>>>>> twitter account with more followers, I can't see much logic in
not
>>>>>>> simply
>>>>>>> building around this account. Just need some strategic tweets
so we
>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>> followers to retweet and get more followers. If Alexandro is
willing
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> maintain this as a PPMC member, what is the problem?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have asked Alexandro many times over several months whether he
would
>>>>>> put that Twitter account under the control of the AOO PPMC, rather
>>>>>> than treat it as his personal account.  He has not agreed to do
>>>>>> this,so I've made a new account which I am putting under PPMC control.
>>>>>>  We've had this discussion, in open, on this list.
>>>>>
>>>>> I dont remember having this discussion with you. So what are you talking
>>>>> about?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In this thread, on this list and several times.
>>>>
>>>> For example, 8 days ago I wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "Hi Alexandro -- Is the above your Twitter account?  If so, would you
>>>> be willing to contribute it to the AOO project, so we can rebrand it
>>>> and allow other PMC members to have write access to it, etc.?"
>>>>
>>>> You didn't seem to understand that, perhaps due to my poor
>>>> description.  So I described in more detail what I was looking for:
>>>>
>>>> "By "contribute to the AOO project" I mean give control to the AOO PMC,
>>>> so we can use it as a project-wide account, similar to how we treat
>>>> the blog:
>>>>
>>>> -- Any PPMC member, upon request, can have write access.
>>>>
>>>> -- We can use the project's official logo in conjunction with the
>>>> account.
>>>>
>>>> -- We would promote the account on our project's website.
>>>>
>>>> -- We would generally treat the account as an official voice of the
>>>> project, not as a personal account."
>>>>
>>>> Again, no response.  Instead of giving a straightforward yes or no
>>>> answer, you changed the subject to debating support questions via
>>>> Twitter.
>>>
>>> Which means that I want to discuss this first before moving the
>>> account or creating a new one.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Is the question I'm asking clear?
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've done the work.  I've done the research.  I've worked this
through
>>>>>> the community.  I've created the account.  I've applied the Apache
>>>>>> branding.  I've signed up other PPMC members to have access to this
>>>>>> account.  I've updated the website.
>>>>>
>>>>> Then what you mean with 'I never recieved a reply'. Rob you are acting
>>>>> on your own, and that is really not good for the community not your
>>>>> reputation of power grabber.  Is very skewed the way you reffer
>>>>> yourself as 'we', when is only you acting on your own behalf.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm not acting on my own at all.  I'm creating an account for use by
>>>> any PPMC member who want to volunteer to help with this Twitter
>>>> account.  I'm discussing how we use Twitter and Google+ as a project,
>>>
>>> Great but we had that already. Why are you duplicating efforts?
>>
>> Ok, if I understand it right you're open to provide the PPMC with the
>> ability to control that account, that means allign the logo,
>> description, etc to what the PPMC thinks is appropriate, as well as to
>> have other PPMC members to join the club and tweet.
>>
>> Is it correct? If not please ask questions you believe went unanswered.
>
> The point I made before, was about dealing how will structured be
> handled. I don't think sharing credentials is a good practice. (is
> like sharing root password through many users). After I understand the
> methodology I will contribute the account credentials to
> infrastructure.

Agree 100% on the security side. So, what is needed from us to move
things on, what's missing on our part?

Roberto

>
>> I'm pretty sure people on this list are open to keep providing answers
>> to end-users, yet to make all necessary changes to have blog post news
>> as well as other news automated. Unless you see a problem with moving
>> in this direction, it seems like we are all on the same page.
>>
>> Roberto
>>
>>>> and I'm doing this openly on the public list.   This is a topic I've
>>>> raised repeatedly on ooo-dev and ooo-private for several months.  Now
>>>> that we are nearing release time for 3.4 it is time for moving forward
>>>> with these proposals.
>>>>
>>>> "Acting on your own" sounds more like PPMC members who sit on such
>>>> accounts, treat them as personal accounts, and never offer them to the
>>>> PPMC, and never worked with the PPMC to make the best use of them.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Well these accounts were long before the PPMC ever existed, and at the
>>> same time, were available for the group before there was a PPMC. PPMC
>>> can join in anytime they want. But like I mentioned, the service to
>>> handled this is no longer available, and we need to tie them to a new
>>> service.
>>>
>>> Again if all fails, you can always email me the post to be launched. I
>>> dont see a dealbreaker. But acting like nobody replied to you, is a
>>> skewed message for everybody.
>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is not about how many people follow the account.  The question
is
>>>>>> purely about which account can be under PPMC control and thus be
the
>>>>>> official account.
>>>>>
>>>>> What you mean with PPMC control, I am a PPMC and I control the
>>>>> account. So what exactly is the issue here? Do you want to have
>>>>> control of the account? If so please say so and not act as a 'we' when
>>>>> is an 'I'.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Having it controlled by a single PPMC member is not the same as "under
>>>> PPMC control".  That is not what I am aiming for at all.
>>>
>>> Agreed, thats why I want more information on how can we achieved PPMC
>>> control and what is the timeframe. I thought that's what we were
>>> discussing before you claiming you never received any reply from the
>>> account owner.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Rob
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Ian
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Alexandro Colorado
>>>>> OpenOffice.org Español
>>>>> http://es.openoffice.org
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Alexandro Colorado
>>> OpenOffice.org Español
>>> http://es.openoffice.org
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>
>
> --
> Alexandro Colorado
> OpenOffice.org Español
> http://es.openoffice.org
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