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From Regina Henschel <rb.hensc...@t-online.de>
Subject Re: [RELEASE] new DL test...needs review and comments, and probably correction
Date Mon, 30 Apr 2012 23:13:44 GMT
Hi,

my test results are below, all on German WinXP Home, SP3.

kind regards
Regina

Marcus (OOo) schrieb:
> Am 04/30/2012 11:21 PM, schrieb Kay Schenk:
>>
>>
>> On 04/30/2012 11:37 AM, Marcus (OOo) wrote:
>>> Am 04/30/2012 04:53 AM, schrieb Kay Schenk:
>>>> On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 3:22 PM, Kay Schenk<kay.schenk@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 04/27/2012 01:46 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 4:31 PM, Andrea Pescetti<pescetti@apache.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kay Schenk wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Please take a look at and give feedback on a test page for
the new
>>>>>>>> /download/index.html page at:
>>>>>>>> http://www.openoffice.org/**download/test/index_new_dl.**html<http://www.openoffice.org/download/test/index_new_dl.html>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes, it's a bit strange with lots of nonsense at the top
that I
>>>>>>>> wanted
>>>>>>>> you to see, but will of course go away in production.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The page is nice, but it's the concept that leaves me dubious.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We have another thread
>>>>>>> http://comments.gmane.org/**gmane.comp.apache.incubator.**
>>>>>>> ooo.devel/16219<http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.apache.incubator.ooo.devel/16219>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> where there seems to be consensus towards a solution that:
>>>>>>> 1) Uses SF (and possibly Apache) for the web-based downloads
>>>>>>> 2) Does not phase out MirrorBrain, and uses it for the updates
>>>>>>> (i.e.,
>>>>>>> downloads initiated by OpenOffice with the "Look for updates"
>>>>>>> function)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's what I understand as well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> oh -- OK. I thought we were going to use MirrorBrain for 3.3 DLs as
>>>>> well
>>>>> -- i.e. what Marcus will be working on. I know right now, we're using
>>>>> SourceForge for that though.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> The "possibly Apache" in 1) is due to the fact that I haven't
>>>>>> understood
>>>>>>> yet
>>>>>>> what technology Apache will be using and if Apache will distribute
>>>>>>> only
>>>>>>> sources or binaries too (it's obvious that we as a project will
>>>>>>> release
>>>>>>> sources and binaries, but I'm not 100% sure that Apache wants
to put
>>>>>>> binaries on its mirrors too: I think so).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Well it's not all that complicated actually. Take a look at the
>>>>> security
>>>>> patch info page...
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.openoffice.org/**security/cves/CVE-2012-0037.**html<http://www.openoffice.org/security/cves/CVE-2012-0037.html>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> and you can see what the link looks like.
>>>>>
>>>>> Actual source/binaries are, for us, put in:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.apache.org/dist/**incubator/ooo/<http://www.apache.org/dist/incubator/ooo/>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> This said, you could be right in having issues tracking down problems.
>>>>> Right now, the SF setup is more "user friendly" in my opinion. I
>>>>> thought we
>>>>> were *required* to use Apache for downloads, but maybe we've gotten a
>>>>> dispensation for this release. Though I didn't think is was 100%
>>>>> someplace
>>>>> else. I admit I haven't kept up as much as I should have though.
>>>>>
>>>>> The other issue is how will it LOOK to users -- one moment they may
>>>>> be one
>>>>> place; if they happen to do a shift-reload, they may go someplace
>>>>> else with
>>>>> an entirely different look and feel.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Fact is, we should avoid the random selection as much as possible,
>>>>>>> mainly to
>>>>>>> be able to quickly identify problems, and you will see details
in
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> thread. The cleaner separation we can get, the better.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> So how about something very simple:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1) AOO 3.4 downloads use SourceForge by default from the
>>>>>> /download/index.html page. Just like they are doing today.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> This WOULD make things a lot simpler.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> But we also have a links there that point to Apache mirrors for:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> a) Hashes and detached signatures
>>>>>> b) source distribution
>>>>>> c) a link to the full release tree
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, SF will need to implement in their sidebar or the main page for
>>>>> openoffice.org they have, right?
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyway, good conversation.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> In other words, no rolling the dice, noting fancy. 100% of normal
>>>>>> users will download from SF.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2) When we enable the automated updates, in a week or two, then we
>>>>>> decide what we want to do. Maybe we do it via SF. Maybe MirrorBrain.
>>>>>> Maybe a mix,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On the other side, release time is approaching and I can only hope
>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> talks between Peter Poeml (MirrorBrain author) and Apache Infra,
>>>>>>> that had
>>>>>>> started on this list, are progressing now.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think it is too late for any of those talks to influence how we
>>>>>> deal
>>>>>> with AOO 3.4 initial downloads. But maybe the update downloads in
a
>>>>>> couple of weeks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Rob
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> Andrea.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> ------------------------------**------------------------------**
>>>>> ------------
>>>>> MzK
>>>>>
>>>>> "Well, life has a funny way of sneaking up on you
>>>>> And life has a funny way of helping you out
>>>>> Helping you out."
>>>>> -- "Ironic", Alanis Morissette
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ok, I am hoping this will be about the last, final review on the new
>>>> download/index.html --
>>>>
>>>> prototype at:
>>>>
>>>> http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/download/test/index_new_dl.html
>>>>
>>>> This assumes SourceForge ONLY, and that the 3.4 pre-built client packs
>>>> will be in the hiearchy as the 3.3 is -- stable, etc.
>>>>
>>>> Naturally NONE of the links will work until something gets out there
>>>> and
>>>> there is a TON of alerts which I will of course eventually comment out.
>>>
>>> I've tested the following:
>>>
>>> 1.
>>> Linux with Firefox --> Linux x86-64 RPM de --> the text in the pop-ups
>>> makes sense --> OK
>>>
>>> 2.
>>> Windows XP with MSIE --> error --> the detailed error message says:
>>>
>>> Line: 104
>>> Char: 1
>>> Error: Identifier, string or number expected
>>> Code: 0
>>> URL: http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/download/test/index_new_dl.html
>>>
>>> Line: 286
>>> Char: 2
>>> Error: 'languages' is not defined
>>> Code: 0
>>> URL: http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/download/test/index_new_dl.html
>>>
>>> --> finally only a blue box for the extensions
>>>
>>>
>>
>> hmmm...well I shouldn't have changed anything that caused this, but
>> definitely NOT good. OK, thanks. What are you showing for your
>> "language" -- i.e. according to your UA string?
>
> Good that you've asked. I remember that we have this webpage:
>
> http://www.openoffice.org/download/test/analyze.html
>
> So, I've updated it a bit and nowI get the following browser data:
>
>
>
> window.location.href http://ooo-site.apache.org/download/test/analyze.html
> navigator.platform Linux x86_64
> navigator.platform.toLowerCase() linux x86_64
> navigator.userAgent Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:2.0.1)
> Gecko/20100101 Firefox/4.0.1
> navigator.userAgent.toLowerCase() mozilla/5.0 (x11; linux x86_64;
> rv:2.0.1) gecko/20100101 firefox/4.0.1
> navigator.language de-DE
> navigator.userLanguage undefined
> navigator.systemLanguage undefined
> navigator.javaEnabled() Yes
>
>
>
> window.location.href http://www.openoffice.org/download/test/analyze.html
> navigator.platform Win32
> navigator.platform.toLowerCase() win32
> navigator.userAgent Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1)
> navigator.userAgent.toLowerCase() mozilla/4.0 (compatible; msie 6.0;
> windows nt 5.1; sv1)
> navigator.language undefined
> navigator.userLanguage de
> navigator.systemLanguage de
> navigator.javaEnabled() Yes
>
>
> It seems that on Linux the "navigator.language" is set. On Windows this
> is not set but the "navigator.userLanguage" and
> "navigator.systemLanguage". All 3 are handled in "download.js" (or in
> your new "download_new_dl.js").
>
> Maybe it's helpful to output some debug messages around this area?
>
> @All:
> Can others please test on Windows with MSIE and Firefox? I really hope
> it's just my Windows XP (in a Virtualbox VM).

With Opera 11.62
=============================

Calling http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/download/test/index_new_dl.html

The green download box is missing totally.

Calling http://www.openoffice.org/download/test/analyze.html
results in

navigator.platform: Win32
navigator.UserAgent: Opera/9.80 (Windows NT 5.1; U; de) Presto/2.10.229 
Version/11.62
navigator.UserAgent lower case: opera/9.80 (windows nt 5.1; u; de) 
presto/2.10.229 version/11.62
navigator.UserAgent lower case: -1
getLink(): undefined
getPlatform(): Windows
getLanguage(): German

window.location.href 	http://www.openoffice.org/download/test/analyze.html
navigator.platform 	Win32
navigator.platform.toLowerCase() 	win32
navigator.userAgent 	Opera/9.80 (Windows NT 5.1; U; de) Presto/2.10.229 
Version/11.62
navigator.userAgent.toLowerCase()	opera/9.80 (windows nt 5.1; u; de) 
presto/2.10.229 version/11.62
navigator.language 	de
navigator.userLanguage 	de
navigator.systemLanguage	undefined
navigator.javaEnabled()	Yes

with Windows Internet Explorer 8
================================
Calling http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/download/test/index_new_dl.html

All looks OK.

Calling http://www.openoffice.org/download/test/analyze.html
results in

navigator.platform: Win32
navigator.UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 7.0; Windows NT 5.1; 
Trident/4.0; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; .NET CLR 1.1.4322; .NET CLR 
3.0.4506.2152; .NET CLR 3.5.30729; InfoPath.2; BRI/2; .NET4.0C; 
.NET4.0E; OfficeLiveConnector.1.5; OfficeLivePatch.1.3; Microsoft.com 
Optimized IE8)
navigator.UserAgent lower case: mozilla/4.0 (compatible; msie 7.0; 
windows nt 5.1; trident/4.0; .net clr 2.0.50727; .net clr 1.1.4322; .net 
clr 3.0.4506.2152; .net clr 3.5.30729; infopath.2; bri/2; .net4.0c; 
.net4.0e; officeliveconnector.1.5; officelivepatch.1.3; microsoft.com 
optimized ie8)
navigator.UserAgent lower case: -1
getLink(): undefined
getPlatform(): Windows
getLanguage(): German


window.location.href  http://www.openoffice.org/download/test/analyze.html
navigator.platform  Win32
navigator.platform.toLowerCase()  win32
navigator.userAgent  Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 7.0; Windows NT 5.1; 
Trident/4.0; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; .NET CLR 1.1.4322; .NET CLR 
3.0.4506.2152; .NET CLR 3.5.30729; InfoPath.2; BRI/2; .NET4.0C; 
.NET4.0E; OfficeLiveConnector.1.5; OfficeLivePatch.1.3; Microsoft.com 
Optimized IE8)
navigator.userAgent.toLowerCase() mozilla/4.0 (compatible; msie 7.0; 
windows nt 5.1; trident/4.0; .net clr 2.0.50727; .net clr 1.1.4322; .net 
clr 3.0.4506.2152; .net clr 3.5.30729; infopath.2; bri/2; .net4.0c; 
.net4.0e; officeliveconnector.1.5; officelivepatch.1.3; microsoft.com 
optimized ie8)
navigator.language  undefined
navigator.userLanguage  de
navigator.systemLanguage de
navigator.javaEnabled() Yes

with Seamonkey 2.9
==================

All looks OK.
Calling http://www.openoffice.org/download/test/analyze.html
results in

navigator.platform: Win32
navigator.UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:12.0) 
Gecko/20120422 Firefox/12.0 SeaMonkey/2.9
navigator.UserAgent lower case: mozilla/5.0 (windows nt 5.1; rv:12.0) 
gecko/20120422 firefox/12.0 seamonkey/2.9
navigator.UserAgent lower case: -1
getLink(): undefined
getPlatform(): Windows
getLanguage(): German


window.location.href 	http://www.openoffice.org/download/test/analyze.html
navigator.platform 	Win32
navigator.platform.toLowerCase() 	win32
navigator.userAgent 	Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:12.0) 
Gecko/20120422 Firefox/12.0 SeaMonkey/2.9
navigator.userAgent.toLowerCase()	mozilla/5.0 (windows nt 5.1; rv:12.0) 
gecko/20120422 firefox/12.0 seamonkey/2.9
navigator.language 	de-DE
navigator.userLanguage 	undefined
navigator.systemLanguage	undefined
navigator.javaEnabled()	Yes


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