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From Kay Schenk <kay.sch...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [RELEASE] new DL test...needs review and comments, and probably correction
Date Mon, 30 Apr 2012 21:21:20 GMT


On 04/30/2012 11:37 AM, Marcus (OOo) wrote:
> Am 04/30/2012 04:53 AM, schrieb Kay Schenk:
>> On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 3:22 PM, Kay Schenk<kay.schenk@gmail.com>  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 04/27/2012 01:46 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 4:31 PM, Andrea Pescetti<pescetti@apache.org>
>>>>   wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Kay Schenk wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please take a look at and give feedback on a test page for the new
>>>>>> /download/index.html page at:
>>>>>> http://www.openoffice.org/**download/test/index_new_dl.**html<http://www.openoffice.org/download/test/index_new_dl.html>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, it's a bit strange with lots of nonsense at the top that I
>>>>>> wanted
>>>>>> you to see, but will of course go away in production.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The page is nice, but it's the concept that leaves me dubious.
>>>>>
>>>>> We have another thread
>>>>> http://comments.gmane.org/**gmane.comp.apache.incubator.**
>>>>> ooo.devel/16219<http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.apache.incubator.ooo.devel/16219>
>>>>>
>>>>> where there seems to be consensus towards a solution that:
>>>>> 1) Uses SF (and possibly Apache) for the web-based downloads
>>>>> 2) Does not phase out MirrorBrain, and uses it for the updates (i.e.,
>>>>> downloads initiated by OpenOffice with the "Look for updates"
>>>>> function)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> That's what I understand as well.
>>>>
>>>
>>> oh -- OK. I thought we were going to use MirrorBrain for 3.3 DLs as well
>>> -- i.e. what Marcus will be working on. I know right now, we're using
>>> SourceForge for that though.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>   The "possibly Apache" in 1) is due to the fact that I haven't
>>>> understood
>>>>> yet
>>>>> what technology Apache will be using and if Apache will distribute
>>>>> only
>>>>> sources or binaries too (it's obvious that we as a project will
>>>>> release
>>>>> sources and binaries, but I'm not 100% sure that Apache wants to put
>>>>> binaries on its mirrors too: I think so).
>>>>>
>>>>
>>> Well it's not all that complicated actually. Take a look at the security
>>> patch info page...
>>>
>>> http://www.openoffice.org/**security/cves/CVE-2012-0037.**html<http://www.openoffice.org/security/cves/CVE-2012-0037.html>
>>>
>>>
>>> and you can see what the link looks like.
>>>
>>> Actual source/binaries are, for us, put in:
>>>
>>> http://www.apache.org/dist/**incubator/ooo/<http://www.apache.org/dist/incubator/ooo/>
>>>
>>>
>>> This said, you could be right in having issues tracking down problems.
>>> Right now, the SF setup is more "user friendly" in my opinion. I
>>> thought we
>>> were *required* to use Apache for downloads, but maybe we've gotten a
>>> dispensation for this release. Though I didn't think is was 100%
>>> someplace
>>> else. I admit I haven't kept up as much as I should have though.
>>>
>>> The other issue is how will it LOOK to users -- one moment they may
>>> be one
>>> place; if they happen to do a shift-reload, they may go someplace
>>> else with
>>> an entirely different look and feel.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Fact is, we should avoid the random selection as much as possible,
>>>>> mainly to
>>>>> be able to quickly identify problems, and you will see details in that
>>>>> thread. The cleaner separation we can get, the better.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> So how about something very simple:
>>>>
>>>> 1) AOO 3.4 downloads use SourceForge by default from the
>>>> /download/index.html page.  Just like they are doing today.
>>>>
>>>
>>> This WOULD make things a lot simpler.
>>>
>>>
>>>> But we also have a links there that point to Apache mirrors for:
>>>>
>>>> a) Hashes and detached signatures
>>>> b) source distribution
>>>> c) a link to the full release tree
>>>>
>>>
>>> Well, SF will need to implement in their sidebar or the main page for
>>> openoffice.org they have, right?
>>>
>>> Anyway, good conversation.
>>>
>>>
>>>> In other words, no rolling the dice, noting fancy.  100% of normal
>>>> users will download from SF.
>>>>
>>>> 2) When we enable the automated updates, in a week or two, then we
>>>> decide what we want to do.  Maybe we do it via SF.  Maybe MirrorBrain.
>>>>   Maybe a mix,
>>>>
>>>>   On the other side, release time is approaching and I can only hope
>>>> that
>>>>> talks between Peter Poeml (MirrorBrain author) and Apache Infra,
>>>>> that had
>>>>> started on this list, are progressing now.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> I think it is too late for any of those talks to influence how we deal
>>>> with AOO 3.4 initial downloads.  But maybe the update downloads in a
>>>> couple of weeks.
>>>>
>>>> -Rob
>>>>
>>>>   Regards,
>>>>>   Andrea.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>> -- 
>>> ------------------------------**------------------------------**
>>> ------------
>>> MzK
>>>
>>> "Well, life has a funny way of sneaking up on you
>>>   And life has a funny way of helping you out
>>>   Helping you out."
>>>                             -- "Ironic", Alanis Morissette
>>>
>>
>>
>> Ok, I am hoping this will be about the last, final review on the new
>> download/index.html --
>>
>> prototype at:
>>
>> http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/download/test/index_new_dl.html
>>
>> This assumes SourceForge ONLY, and that the  3.4 pre-built client packs
>> will be in the hiearchy as the 3.3 is -- stable, etc.
>>
>> Naturally NONE of the links will work until something gets out there and
>> there is a TON of alerts which I will of course eventually comment out.
> 
> I've tested the following:
> 
> 1.
> Linux with Firefox --> Linux x86-64 RPM de --> the text in the pop-ups
> makes sense --> OK
> 
> 2.
> Windows XP with MSIE --> error --> the detailed error message says:
> 
> Line:  104
> Char:  1
> Error: Identifier, string or number expected
> Code:  0
> URL:   http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/download/test/index_new_dl.html
> 
> Line:  286
> Char:  2
> Error: 'languages' is not defined
> Code:  0
> URL:   http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/download/test/index_new_dl.html
> 
> --> finally only a blue box for the extensions
> 
> 

hmmm...well I shouldn't have changed anything that caused this, but
definitely NOT good. OK, thanks. What are you showing for your
"language" -- i.e. according to your UA string?



> 
> Marcus
> 

-- 
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MzK

"Well, life has a funny way of sneaking up on you
 And life has a funny way of helping you out
 Helping you out."
                            -- "Ironic", Alanis Morissette

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