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From Kay Schenk <kay.sch...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [WWW] two questions about DL button on home page...
Date Wed, 25 Apr 2012 21:36:10 GMT


On 04/25/2012 02:29 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 1:05 PM, Kay Schenk<kay.schenk@gmail.com>  wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 04/25/2012 10:03 AM, Rob Weir wrote:
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 12:15 PM, Kay Schenk<kay.schenk@gmail.com>    wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 6:48 AM, Rob Weir<robweir@apache.org>    wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 5:41 PM, Marcus (OOo)<marcus.mail@wtnet.de>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Am 04/24/2012 11:09 PM, schrieb Kay Schenk:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 04/24/2012 01:05 PM, Marcus (OOo) wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Am 04/24/2012 07:54 PM, schrieb Kay Schenk:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi all--
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Right now, when I click on "I want to download OpenOffice",
I don't
>>>>>
>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> expanded green button I was getting last week, for example.
I had
>>>>>>>>> made
>>>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>>> changes to this a week or so ago, but the changes that
I
>>>>>>>>> incorporated,
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> the green button itself were just fine after that. I
think my
>>>>>>>>> current
>>>>>>>>> experience may be due to a problem with getting the mirror
link but
>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>>>> to confirm this in a bit.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So, question #1.
>>>>>>>>> I would like someone else to try this and let the list
know what
>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>> results are -- are you getting the expanded green button
or being
>>>>>>>>> shuttled
>>>>>>>>> to /download/index.html instead?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Question #2. If you're not getting the DL button, or
even if you
>>>>>>>>> are,
>>>>>>>>> how
>>>>>>>>> strongly do you feel about having the expanding button,
or would
>>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>
>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> jump to /download/index.html be just as good?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I know there was a LOT of discussion when this design
first emerged,
>>>>>>>>> but,
>>>>>>>>> it would much much easier for changes in DL code -- Rob's
proposal
>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>> unification of yesterday for instance -- if we could
just dump this
>>>>>>>>> "internal" DL button on the home page. Yes, the buttons
are the same
>>>>>>>>> to the
>>>>>>>>> eye anyway on both the main index.html page and /download/index.html
>>>>>
>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> the html implementation is different, different enough
that both
>>>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>>>> areas need to be changed when changes are needed. Additionally,
>>>>>>>>> dumping the
>>>>>>>>> "generated" button on the home page would allow us to
standardize
>>>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>>> easily on incorporating the DL button -- the code used
on
>>>>>>>>> /download/index.html -- on other pages like the NL pages.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks for looking at this and responding.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It seems Rob's last commit (r1329501 - "Remove unneeded GA
code") has
>>>>>>>> removed accidently also the toggle mode for the download
button. This
>>>>>
>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> done via JavaScript, too.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've repaired it as the expanded donwload button is IMHO
a nice
>>>>>
>>>>> feature.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Marcus
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Marcus--Thanks for this...but...it would be really really helpful
if
>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>> could just do away with this approach.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm going to work on the underpinnings in /download today, and
not the
>>>>>>> home page, so I'll wait to hear from a few others.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So far, it looks like we've got 2 to "remove/OK with removing
it" (me,
>>>>>>> Dave), and 1 not to remove (you).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Of course we can remove the toggle feature for the green box. Lets
see
>>>>>
>>>>> what
>>>>>>
>>>>>> others say.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've just re-enabled it because the effort was really minimal.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> What are the arguments for and against?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> For:
>>>> I think the argument FOR the inclusion of the expanding DL button on the
>>>> home page was the idea of having the DL available "right there" for them.
>>>> Still, unlike other sites which would automatically display the
>>>> appropriate
>>>> DL immediately, the user must click on the DL area of the page to "get"
>>>> the
>>>> green DL button, so I question the former reasoning.
>>>>
>>>
>>>   From the homepage, it is the same number of mouse clicks to download
>>> either way, right?    We don't save any clicks by dynamically
>>> expanding the DL button on the home page.
>>
>>
>> yes...this is correct -- same number of clicks...
>>
>>
>>>
>>>> On the "against" side.
>>>> * We bring in a bunch of additional JS to the home page which we wouldn't
>>>> need if the "I want to download..." simply went to download/index.html.
>>>> * None of the other links on the home page work like this -- they all
>>>> take
>>>> you someplace else
>>>> * In theory, editing changes to make download/index.html work should
>>>> should
>>>> port to the DL button on the home page, but for some reason, I,
>>>> personally
>>>> have had issues with this in the past, I don't remember why
>>>> * You can not, based on how the button is currently constructed on the
>>>> home
>>>> page, just  pop-in something to make this happen -- some of the JS needed
>>>> must live on the home page to make things work. Well maybe you can and I
>>>> just don't know how to do this.
>>>> * Changes made to the current DL logic (and really this whole process in
>>>> terms of coding REALLY needs further evaluation)  like function names and
>>>> arguments to them, etc. need to be ported to two areas rather than one.
>>>>
>>>
>>> IMHO, if we have a a dedicated download page we can improve it over
>>> time.  Having more screen real-estate would allow us to make install
>>> instructions more prominent and give other helpful information.
>>> Eventually the thing on the home page will be comparatively less
>>> helpful.
>>
>>
>> I agree -- just making the few changes we did recently was, while not
>> difficult, took some futzing on the home page DL button to make things LOOK
>> a bit nicer. And, I don't like making unnecessary changes ON the home page.
>> :/
>>
>>
>>>
>>>> My .02
>>>>
>>>> At this stage of this project's existence, I think we need to concentrate
>>>> on minimizing complexity.
>>>>
>>>
>>> My life lesson:  Only start a garden as large as you are able care for.
>>
>>
>> EXACTLY! We definitely need to consider the number, time and skills of the
>> gardeners in this case! ;]
>>
>> so? conclusion?
>>
>
> So far it looks like the support is for making this be a link to the
> download page.   That is my preference as well.   But let's let the
> earth turn and see if anyone else has thoughts.
>
> -Rob

yes, I'm good with that as well...bad bad bad bad net connection day for 
me! :( so no work so far anyway...

>
>>
>>>
>>> -Rob
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Aside from a good user experience, my interest is in having clean,
>>>>> unifiied download logic, to support an overall download policy,
>>>>> including how we mirror, how we track statistics, how we route and how
>>>>> we recommend downloads based on request headers.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Rob
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Marecus
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> MzK
>>>>
>>>> "Well, life has a funny way of sneaking up on you
>>>>   And life has a funny way of helping you out
>>>>   Helping you out."
>>>>                             -- "Ironic", Alanis Morissette
>>
>>
>> --
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> MzK
>>
>> "Well, life has a funny way of sneaking up on you
>>   And life has a funny way of helping you out
>>   Helping you out."
>>                             -- "Ironic", Alanis Morissette

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MzK

"Well, life has a funny way of sneaking up on you
  And life has a funny way of helping you out
  Helping you out."
                             -- "Ironic", Alanis Morissette

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