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Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 23:20:07 -0400
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Subject: Re: AOO for Debian
From: Rob Weir <robweir@apache.org>
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On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 4:54 PM, imacat <imacat@mail.imacat.idv.tw> wrote:
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0Well, I have to admit I was not doing things well on this. =
=C2=A0I'm
> regret to some words I said, which may harm the people in our AOO
> society. =C2=A0I said those words in a terribly angry. =C2=A0I have to sa=
y sorry
> for them.
>
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0I talked to a DD for hours. =C2=A0He said I and Eric were wr=
ong to talk
> on debian-openoffice@lists.debian.org. =C2=A0I should have talked to him
> before I did that. =C2=A0I should find another DD sponsor in the beginnin=
g,
> try to package AOO and OOo4Kids well and have that sponsor checked OK,
> and just *boom* the ready AOO and OOo4Kids package into Debian.
>
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0Dear Rod: =C2=A0To answer your question: =C2=A0Yes, people d=
oes not go to OOo
> or LO package maintainers for Gnumeric or Abiword. =C2=A0That's too stupi=
d.
> They are rival projects, and those rival DD simply says NO. =C2=A0KDE
> maintainers says NO to GNOME, and vice versa. =C2=A0People finds other
> sponsors to submit these packages, and that's how they coexist.
>

So it sounds like the DD's are the "gatekeepers", and if we make them
happy, then we will have success.   So we need to find a DD who will
help us.

> =C2=A0 =C2=A0Surely I was not showing off AOO in front of TDF. =C2=A0I wa=
s merely
> posting OpenOffice on the OpenOffice list, which is hardly a mistake.
>
> P.S. That's quite a different method to our "Apache Way".
>

All communities are different. It takes time to understand how they
work and think.

Thanks for taking the time to investigate this!

-Rob

> On 2012/03/16 18:23, Claudio Filho said:
>> First of all, congratulations for you and Bachard. Was really a
>> surprise the way that "fighted" about the inclusion of AOO in Debian.
>> This fact, did me to think the big work in lobby inside of all distros
>> for try to block AOO.
>> My R$ 0,02....
>>
>> 2012/3/16 imacat <imacat@mail.imacat.idv.tw>:
>>> 2. They offer the debian-apache-openoffice or debian-aoo-maintainers
>>> lists for an alternative discussion list if we want to separate from
>>> them. =C2=A0I personally have no interest on that offer, but if most pe=
ople
>>> think it is a better idea I shall follow.
>>
>> At this time, i think that is irrelevant. We need to prepare our part fi=
rst.
>>
>>> 3. Actually, we don't have to get through Rene to put Apache OpenOffice
>>> or OOo4Kids into Debian. =C2=A0By the Debian Policy, all we need is to =
find a
>>> Debian Developer (DD) or Debian Maintainer (DM) that is willing to
>>> "sponsor" the Apache OpenOffice or OOo4Kids project, which I believe
>>> many of my local or foreign DD/DM friends would certainly glad to.
>>> After all, Rene is merely one DD of thousands. =C2=A0Many of my DD/DM f=
riends
>>> love AOO and OOo4Kids no less than LO. =C2=A0They would hate to see AOO
>>> dropped from Debian, and were long waiting for OOo4Kids (no kidding).
>>
>> This is the easy part (IMO), Imacat. Yesterday, i spoke with two
>> friends, where one is a DD and other is a DM, about the creation of
>> AOO pkg. And i have more 2 friends DDs that can be our sponsors. As i
>> wrote in debian publicity list, here we wish to get a AOO pkg.
>>
>> I will write for you and we discuss about this question out of list,
>> presenting this friends, ok?
>>
>>> 4. And, of course, the final package we submit will have to follow the
>>> Debian Policy, which we have to take care of that ourselves.
>>
>> Is clear for me. Thanks by your efforts.
>>
>> Claudio
>
>
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