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On Mar 19, 2012, at 4:59 PM, Rob Weir wrote:

> On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 6:52 PM, Kay Schenk <kay.schenk@gmail.com> =
wrote:
>> On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 3:06 PM, Kay Schenk <kay.schenk@gmail.com> =
wrote:
>>=20
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 9:26 AM, Rob Weir <robweir@apache.org> =
wrote:
>>>=20
>>>> On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 12:03 PM, Kay Schenk <kay.schenk@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 6:30 AM, Rob Weir <robweir@apache.org> =
wrote:
>>>>>=20
>>>>>> We currently have a web page that lists all of our mailing lists:
>>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/mailing-lists.html
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> However, the native language lists that we're creating recently =
are
>>>>>> not there.  And I think adding them to that page would not be the =
best
>>>>>> approach.  I wonder if it would be better to highlight these
>>>>>> communities on their own page.
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> So something like this:
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> On our podling page here:  =
http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> Add new page under Community called "Native Language Communities" =
or
>>>>>> maybe something a little shorter.
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>=20
>>>>> This sounds like a lovely  idea!
>>>>>=20
>>>>>=20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> On that page, explain a little what these groups are and are not.
>>>>>> They are not separate Apache projects, but are "interest groups" =
or
>>>>>> "language sections" within the AOO project, concentrating on =
native
>>>>>> language support, localization, marketing efforts, etc.
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> Then have a table listing the languages and the mailing lists. We
>>>>>> could also have links to the website, e.g., de.openoffice.org. If
>>>>>> there are official social media accounts used by that community =
(a
>>>>>> Facebook page ot Twitter account, for example) we could link to =
those
>>>>>> as well.
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>=20
>>>>> It might be easiest, considering the state we're in with the NL =
mailing
>>>>> lists right now, to document these on a wiki page, and just link =
to THAT
>>>>> from the  new NL info page you suggest.
>>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>> Wiki is fine also.  Personally, I prefer the Apache CMS and mdtext
>>>> over Confluence wiki. It is easier to make a good looking page that
>>>> has a consistent style with the rest of the site.  But as Emerson
>>>> wrote:
>>>>=20
>>>> "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by
>>>> little statesmen and philosophers and divines. With consistency a
>>>> great soul has simply nothing to do. He may as well concern himself
>>>> with his shadow on the wall. Speak what you think today in hard =
words,
>>>> and tomorrow speak what tomorrow thinks in hard words again, though =
it
>>>> contradict every thing you said today."
>>>>=20
>>>> So inconsistency is fine with me as well.
>>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> Well it would certainly be easier for the mailing list "requestors" =
to
>>> update a wiki page once their request had been processed, and then =
link the
>>> web site page *TO* that I think. I will start this page, and =
hopefully
>>> folks will update.
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>>> I've seen messages/setups go by for the new mailing lists, but
>>>> honestly, I
>>>>> have not been paying close attention.
>>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>> I think we have current or requested lists for Japanese, German,
>>>> Italian, Spanish, Brazilian Portuguese and French.
>>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> This is what I've found so far...
>>>=20
>>> ooo-users-de
>>> ooo-general-ja
>>> ooo-geral-ptbr
>>> ooo-general-es
>>> ooo-utenti-it
>>> ooo-progetto-it
>>>=20
>>> OK, I'll get started on this.
>>>=20
>>=20
>> Well this took a bit more time than I expected, but we now have a =
"Native
>> Language" area on the podling web site --
>>=20
>> http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/
>>=20
>=20
> This looks good.  Thanks.
>=20
>> Since we have few native language mailing lists right now, I guess =
not a
>> problem with just listing them here. And thanks to Kazunari Hirano =
for
>> pointing me what had already been discussed and the planning wiki =
page.
>>=20
>> I have yet to edit the existing Native Language page on the web =
server.
>> Instead of just deleting the current project leads, though, I'm =
thinking of
>> just changing the header to "Former Project Lead" in case someone =
(else)
>> want s to contact that person. Thoughts on this?
>>=20
>=20
> Are we sure that the former leads actually want to be contacted?

Some from sweden requested that their names be removed. I have no =
problem with removal.

>    It
> may be more useful for a visitor to be directed to your new page.

It would be useful to link to Kay's new page from the existing page. We =
have someone named Kevin Sisco who is working on a new version. We are =
waiting to see.

Regards,
Dave


>=20
> -Rob
>=20
>>=20
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>>> If someone could create this new wiki page, I would happy to =
create the
>>>>> front-end for it (and figure out how to modify the project menu).
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>>=20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> -Rob
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>=20
>>>>>=20
>>>>>=20
>>>>> --
>>>>>=20
>>>> =
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>>>>> MzK
>>>>>=20
>>>>> "Follow your bliss."
>>>>>         -- attributed to Joseph Campbell
>>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> --
>>>=20
>>> =
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--------------
>>> MzK
>>>=20
>>> "Follow your bliss."
>>>          -- attributed to Joseph Campbell
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>> --
>> =
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>> MzK
>>=20
>> "Follow your bliss."
>>         -- attributed to Joseph Campbell