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On Mar 17, 2012, at 9:07 AM, Kay Schenk wrote:

> Ariel, Rob...
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> On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 6:05 PM, Ariel Constenla-Haile
> <arielch@apache.org>wrote:
>=20
>> Hi *,
>>=20
>> On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 04:45:54PM -0400, Rob Weir wrote:
>>> On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 4:15 PM, Kay Schenk <kay.schenk@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>> Hi all--
>>>>=20
>>>> With Rob's request to add a page about the current NL mailing =
lists, I
>> took
>>>> a look at:
>>>>=20
>>>> http://www.openoffice.org/native-lang/
>>>>=20
>>>> for additional information.  Of course, it's not up to date.
>>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> I love the opening line: "This document looks complicated but it is =
not"
>>>=20
>>>> It would be REALLY great if someone could edit this page/area
>> appropriately
>>>> given OpenOffice's ASF context. Thanks.
>>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> The NLC was described as "composed of those projects working on all
>>> aspects related to the localization and support of OpenOffice.org,
>>> including localization, QA, support, documentation, and marketing"
>>>=20
>>> =46rom what I understand, this was hierarchical/bureaucratic NLC, =
with
>>> defined roles, levels, process, elected leaders,etc.  Do we want to
>>> recreate some part of that formality at Apache?  It is not my =
personal
>>> preference, but we did that with the community forum volunteers and =
no
>>> one seems to have died.
>>=20
>=20
> Rob -- I have no opinion about this one way or another. As far as I'm
> concerned, whatever works. We must take care to not assume or =
designate NL
> "area leaders" as official representatives though, I think.
>=20
>=20
>>=20
>> IMO the Forum was a different case, it was already a working =
structure.
>> The NLC is in a rather different situation, most people listed in
>> http://www.openoffice.org/projects/native-lang.html is not working =
here,
>> the NLC as a structure can be considered dead, so it is a good chance =
to
>> start anew and not repeat old mistakes.
>>=20
>=20
> OK, Ariel, thanks for the information -- that was my assumption also.
> Perhaps as a first start we should remove the  "project contacts" as =
was
> done with the other former projects.
>=20
>=20
>> + 1 to follow the Apache Way here
>> - 1 to bringing back the old hierarchical structure here at this new
>> Apache home
>>=20
>=20
> OK...thanks for the input.
>=20
>=20
>>=20
>> Concerning that web page http://www.openoffice.org/native-lang/ is =
now
>> completely obsolete, it can be removed.
>>=20
>=20
> Well I think such a landing page provides some value -- for at least
> explaining what this area would hope to accomplish, what the =
objectives,
> are, and what Apache OpenOffice is able to provide in the way of =
support.
>=20
> Currently, this page is indeed WRONG, but I would like to see what =
Kevin
> SIsco can come up with. I know there was recently quite a long thread =
about
> the N-L projects. We need to review what was discussed there.
>=20
> ... and regards to you!

I am a big -1 on removing the page - =
http://www.openoffice.org/native-lang/=20

I spent a HUGE amount of effort making sure that all of the NL sites =
remained available should anyone return. It would be a horrible shame to =
remove this page which is the ONLY map we have on the ooo-site to all of =
the NL sites. There is an out of date MediaWiki page with the same =
information.

I agree we should lose the names. It has been discussed. Any committer =
can do it.

I agree with Kay, let's see what Kevin Sisco offers.

Regards,
Dave

>=20
>=20
>>=20
>> Regards
>> --
>> Ariel Constenla-Haile
>> La Plata, Argentina
>>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
> --=20
> =
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> MzK
>=20
> "Follow your bliss."
>         -- attributed to Joseph Campbell