Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C99259B2D for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2012 20:00:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 66442 invoked by uid 500); 12 Mar 2012 20:00:23 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 66347 invoked by uid 500); 12 Mar 2012 20:00:23 -0000 Mailing-List: contact ooo-dev-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 66336 invoked by uid 99); 12 Mar 2012 20:00:23 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Mon, 12 Mar 2012 20:00:23 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,SPF_NEUTRAL X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: neutral (athena.apache.org: local policy) Received: from [98.139.213.164] (HELO nm14-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.213.164) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with SMTP; Mon, 12 Mar 2012 20:00:14 +0000 Received: from [98.139.212.144] by nm14.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Mar 2012 19:59:53 -0000 Received: from [98.139.211.201] by tm1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Mar 2012 19:59:53 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp210.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Mar 2012 19:59:53 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 378905.51530.bm@smtp210.mail.bf1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: mu9HliYVM1mgLr6l.CSHx46m_Y_55ir9G1rRDAVbJTENPvY lcTIOqmqNHXLA844qtS.MpjG87mgBBUh245R5sN2W1eINvJPals5L7TR5Kzr ppVQfKRQ_MgvO7Xn_FBWxVGrK.LgKcO9afn4rCoXD3UyMrLnbyCLxGz6T6ON nc_meVzL0CGBgt1WbNMZc98ZrXZjxEz7yHmW20tb224jUUlr9G1uOvNkIf9T _mMhA8781YmochJWCUCNHmZxp0Bz3MPzNiHq3CMVQTueB7NcMMQihkfimtXU mYTT_SeFpelw56tF4FOx_MJUNkbA8uXApWSx4PPNKOZCQWFJOccHh69gkDn7 ma.hXw_Cc3MfAu1_vijW91ZebenmyM9qCutn36tXdzngJeE1TgB57qUBOg4f I5UdfjiHcSpGHA56zDW4NgdhAlbX46oyhu7BLALpLmr82igDAb93RiS1aJna Weo9czH.KElZL6JpS5drAb_.uk9fBazcrJrOuNJREVK.S28KogObALc9i X-Yahoo-SMTP: xcjD0guswBAZaPPIbxpWwLcp9Unf Received: from [192.168.10.102] (pfg@200.118.157.7 with plain) by smtp210.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2012 12:59:53 -0700 PDT Message-ID: <4F5E55B8.7030505@apache.org> Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 14:59:52 -0500 From: Pedro Giffuni User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120226 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: Is any one here familiar with OpenOffice? References: <1331576657.19590.2.camel@sybil-gnome> <4F5E5168.5040309@apache.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org On 03/12/12 14:48, Rob Weir wrote: > On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 3:41 PM, Pedro Giffuni wrote: >> On 03/12/12 13:42, Rob Weir wrote: >>> >>> I'm not suggesting we argue with anyone. I'm suggesting we make >>> truthful positive statements about this project and the experience >>> level of its participants. >>> >> FWIW, and just my humble opinion ... >> >> I don't think we should spend time discussing such arguments >> when we have the one instrument that defines the true >> continuation of the project, namely www.openoffice.org . >> > Oh, I'm sure we all have our own preferred ways of doing this. The > nice thing is that they are not mutually exclusive. We only need to > agree to be accurate and positive. We don't need to agree on a > narrow set of specific communications. Some volunteers might work > better with HTML, others with YouTube videos, others with graphics. > Let's find more ways of saying "yes and" instead of "no, but". > > -Rob You didn't get it: the channel matters. If a blog from the Apache Foundation says "OpenOffice is not dead" and a blog from TDF says "OpenOffice.org is dead", well ... both can be wrong or right ... OTOH, If the openoffice.org says "alive and kicking" the message is way more credible. This said ... I don't feel confident enough to modify the main page: if I, for example, screw things up badly and want to revert my changes, can I do that easily in Apache CMS? cheers, Pedro.