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Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 11:11:56 +0300 (EEST)
From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Risto_J=E4=E4skel=E4inen?= <rjaaskel@saunalahti.fi>
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Subject: Re: [RELEASE]: status update where we are and plan to move forward
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J=C3=BCrgen Schmidt [jogischmidt@googlemail.com] kirjoitti:=20
> Hi Andrea,
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> On 3/28/12 12:43 AM, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
> > J=C3=BCrgen Schmidt wrote:
> >> A RC with en-US only is not really what our community is expecting.
> >
> > Exactly.
> >
> >> UI
> >> We will include all languages where we have a 100% complete translatio=
n
> >> for the UI (excepting the translation for the test automation tool lik=
e
> >> for "ru")
> >> HELP
> >> For help I would not really rely on a 100% translation and would accep=
t
> >> >95%.
> >
> > These figures seem very high, we usually required > 80% (both UI and
> > Help), see http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Languages
> >
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> thanks for this feedback, I wasn't aware of this numbers and it seems=20
> that my own expectations are higher than what we had before. I am open=20
> for that and we can reduce the numbers but doesn't it make sense to have=
=20
> 100% for UI and a lower number like the 80-85% for help. Help is not so=
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> important from my point view (who never used help and preferred google)=
=20
> but I think the UI should be complete.
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> I am eager to learn from others and their experience and we should=20
> define together some boundaries for the future.
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> > And, now that https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=3D118895 is
> > fixed (thanks!) the Italian version, even if at 95%-99%, would
> > definitely be ready to ship. We will reach 100% anyway (Paolo knows mor=
e
> > but there are more than a dozen vounteers so it won't be a problem for
> > us), but I'm speaking in general: excluding a language at 95%-99%
> > wouldn't make sense.
> >
> > If there are concerns about problems in the translation process/data,
> > then I'd prefer to distribute only builds for which we can identify a
> > volunteer who takes care of testing that the translation is OK in the
> > common use cases.
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> Exactly that is what I have in mind we will only ship languages where=20
> volunteers have shown up so far.
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> Juergen
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I think whole situation of meritocrazy is little bit wisted. The product wi=
ll be what developers want not what users want.=20
Ok if we ask user who want to use Finnish AOO would he prefer 100% English =
product over 80% Finnish product? I guess it depends how good his/hers Engl=
ish is. But if he don't understand English at all he prefer 80% translation=
 over 0% translation (=3D100% English).
So I think the old limits are good enought.

My name is in every Finnish translation of Help po.files. I have send packa=
ge of translations which is now in Pootle. I have signed and send my ICLA-a=
greement etc.  Yet I am not able translate single line except do suggestion=
s as "nobody".
If I would download whole updated package I will translate and send it back=
.
Otherwise it is quite hard to keep 100% level of translations.

Greetings
Risto