From ooo-dev-return-14081-apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive=incubator.apache.org@incubator.apache.org Sat Mar 3 01:05:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6325C9B0A for ; Sat, 3 Mar 2012 01:05:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 72320 invoked by uid 500); 3 Mar 2012 01:05:20 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 72265 invoked by uid 500); 3 Mar 2012 01:05:20 -0000 Mailing-List: contact ooo-dev-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 72254 invoked by uid 99); 3 Mar 2012 01:05:20 -0000 Received: from nike.apache.org (HELO nike.apache.org) (192.87.106.230) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Sat, 03 Mar 2012 01:05:20 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (nike.apache.org: domain of dave2wave@comcast.net designates 76.96.30.40 as permitted sender) Received: from [76.96.30.40] (HELO qmta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net) (76.96.30.40) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Sat, 03 Mar 2012 01:05:10 +0000 Received: from omta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.60]) by qmta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id gp0r1i0061HpZEsA4p4oRD; Sat, 03 Mar 2012 01:04:48 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.74] ([67.180.51.144]) by omta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id gp4n1i00e36gVt78ap4n21; Sat, 03 Mar 2012 01:04:48 +0000 Subject: Re: How can we get OpenOffice started with Pootle? Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 From: Dave Fisher In-Reply-To: <4F516444.3010703@akerbeltz.org> Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2012 17:04:47 -0800 Cc: gavin@16degrees.com.au Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <4F50DEB8.5050106@akerbeltz.org> <0a6d01ccf8ce$0dfe68f0$29fb3ad0$@16degrees.com.au> <4F516444.3010703@akerbeltz.org> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org On Mar 2, 2012, at 4:22 PM, Michael Bauer wrote: > 02/03/2012 23:41, sgr=ECobh Gavin McDonald: >> See = https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INFRA/translate+pootle+service= +auth+levels >> for more info on the privileges applied. >>=20 >> You need not be logged in to submit translation suggestions. >> Therefore, no need to be a committer to do so either. >>=20 >> HTH >>=20 >> Gav... > Gavin, the nature of the best is that for small languages, you usually = have a team of one. If I add "Suggestions" then there is no-one who will = accept them or, if I get the right priviledges, I have to accept them at = a later point myself. Or indeed, if someone suggests a junk translation, = then how will a committer who is unfamiliar with the language going to = know? >=20 > I'd have to be at least a Project Admin level (looking at your table = (by the way, should that be "higher perms" instead of "giving higger = perms"?). Not because I want to commit but apart from the above reason, = because I'm not doing anything unless I can make backups (sorry, but I = *almost* got burnt very badly when OOO went down) and because I need to = be able to overwrite some of the old stuff (I was in the middle of a = major review of a lot of junk that ended up in the Gaelic translation). >=20 > If that's not an option, then I have to seriously think about = participation in AOO. Well I think that the PPMC needs to seriously think about how to handle = very small NL projects like Gaelic - Scottish. While yours is a specific = case, it does point out a general problem. How does AOO help smaller NL communities that do not already have = committers bootstrap productive translation of their language. How does = the PPMC provide proper oversight in considering someone's merit without = work here at Apache? This may be a case where we will need members of = the PPMC to vouch for someone's prior work. I don't want to abandon = smaller languages. Perhaps we need to have a test, perhaps help = translating news for the website and/or bootstrapping / restarting NL = parts of the website. I would be willing to help guide work on NL parts = of www.openoffice.org. What do you think? What does the PPMC think? What does the community = think? Regards, Dave >=20 > Michael