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From Rob Weir <>
Subject Programmers <heart> Testers
Date Thu, 01 Mar 2012 16:14:53 GMT
It is worth reading the following exchange between Juergen and Jean.
It is sometimes thought that programmers dislike testers.  It seems
like there should be a natural tension.  Testers are always bringing
bad news and pointing out all the mistakes that the programmer makes.
Who wants to open their inbox and find a dozen bug reports?

The truth is every good programmer wants to see this.  We all know
that all complex software is full of bugs. That is the nature of
modern software engineering and the complexity of modern systems.  The
only software that does not have many bug reports is software that no
one tests and no one uses.

So I agree 100% with Juergen that getting bug reports is "very
motivating".  It shows that there are volunteers dedicated to
improving the quality of Apache OpenOffice and helping us to ensure
that we have a high quality release.

So special thanks the testers.  We need your critical eye to help us
find and prioritize the bugs in AOO 3.4.



On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 12:43 AM, Jürgen Schmidt
<> wrote:
> Am Donnerstag, 1. März 2012 schrieb Jean Weber :
>> Well, either I made a mistake earlier or something's been fixed
>> between the build where the problem described below occurred and the
>> latest build, but all worked as it should when I just tried it again.
>> Both Mac and Win7.
>> Sorry for wasting your time.
> No wasted time Jean, it shows that you did very good and careful testing.
> Thanks.
> But that is true for all of you who send reports so far. It's good to see
> that so many community members started testing...
> Have I mentioned before that this is very motivating? If not, it is very
> motivating ;-)
> Juergen
>> Cheers, Jean
>> On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 10:21, Jean Weber <<javascript:;>>
>> wrote:
>> > I have not attempted to search Bugzilla to see if a bug report exists
>> > for this problem. If this is not a known bug, I will attempt to test
>> > on Windows and Ubuntu as well as on Mac and file a bug report. But if
>> > someone says "oh yes, we know all about that!" and can point me to the
>> > bug report, I'll just add a bit to it.
>> >
>> > Mac OS X Lion 10.7.3, AOO build r1293550.
>> > I opened an existing template (File > Templates > Edit), modified it,
>> > and saved it (File > Templates > Save).
>> > 1) If I go to File > Templates > Organize, the new template does not
>> > appear in the list in the Template Management dialog.
>> > 2) If I go to File > New > Templates and Documents, the new template
>> > does not appear in the list in the Templates and Documents - My
>> > Templates dialog.
>> > 3) If I go to File > Templates > Edit, the new template does appear in
>> > the list in the Open dialog.
>> > 4) If I use Template Changer, the new template does appear in the list
>> > that TC finds (Select Template dialog, essentially the same as the
>> > Open dialog).
>> >
>> > If I save the template elsewhere on my computer, I can use Import to
>> > bring it into My Templates, where cases 1) and 2) above will find it.
>> > However, cases 3) and 4) now find *two* copies of the template.
>> >
>> > --Jean

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