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From Rob Weir <>
Subject Re: AOO for Debian
Date Sat, 17 Mar 2012 03:20:07 GMT
On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 4:54 PM, imacat <> wrote:
>    Well, I have to admit I was not doing things well on this.  I'm
> regret to some words I said, which may harm the people in our AOO
> society.  I said those words in a terribly angry.  I have to say sorry
> for them.
>    I talked to a DD for hours.  He said I and Eric were wrong to talk
> on  I should have talked to him
> before I did that.  I should find another DD sponsor in the beginning,
> try to package AOO and OOo4Kids well and have that sponsor checked OK,
> and just *boom* the ready AOO and OOo4Kids package into Debian.
>    Dear Rod:  To answer your question:  Yes, people does not go to OOo
> or LO package maintainers for Gnumeric or Abiword.  That's too stupid.
> They are rival projects, and those rival DD simply says NO.  KDE
> maintainers says NO to GNOME, and vice versa.  People finds other
> sponsors to submit these packages, and that's how they coexist.

So it sounds like the DD's are the "gatekeepers", and if we make them
happy, then we will have success.   So we need to find a DD who will
help us.

>    Surely I was not showing off AOO in front of TDF.  I was merely
> posting OpenOffice on the OpenOffice list, which is hardly a mistake.
> P.S. That's quite a different method to our "Apache Way".

All communities are different. It takes time to understand how they
work and think.

Thanks for taking the time to investigate this!


> On 2012/03/16 18:23, Claudio Filho said:
>> First of all, congratulations for you and Bachard. Was really a
>> surprise the way that "fighted" about the inclusion of AOO in Debian.
>> This fact, did me to think the big work in lobby inside of all distros
>> for try to block AOO.
>> My R$ 0,02....
>> 2012/3/16 imacat <>:
>>> 2. They offer the debian-apache-openoffice or debian-aoo-maintainers
>>> lists for an alternative discussion list if we want to separate from
>>> them.  I personally have no interest on that offer, but if most people
>>> think it is a better idea I shall follow.
>> At this time, i think that is irrelevant. We need to prepare our part first.
>>> 3. Actually, we don't have to get through Rene to put Apache OpenOffice
>>> or OOo4Kids into Debian.  By the Debian Policy, all we need is to find a
>>> Debian Developer (DD) or Debian Maintainer (DM) that is willing to
>>> "sponsor" the Apache OpenOffice or OOo4Kids project, which I believe
>>> many of my local or foreign DD/DM friends would certainly glad to.
>>> After all, Rene is merely one DD of thousands.  Many of my DD/DM friends
>>> love AOO and OOo4Kids no less than LO.  They would hate to see AOO
>>> dropped from Debian, and were long waiting for OOo4Kids (no kidding).
>> This is the easy part (IMO), Imacat. Yesterday, i spoke with two
>> friends, where one is a DD and other is a DM, about the creation of
>> AOO pkg. And i have more 2 friends DDs that can be our sponsors. As i
>> wrote in debian publicity list, here we wish to get a AOO pkg.
>> I will write for you and we discuss about this question out of list,
>> presenting this friends, ok?
>>> 4. And, of course, the final package we submit will have to follow the
>>> Debian Policy, which we have to take care of that ourselves.
>> Is clear for me. Thanks by your efforts.
>> Claudio
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