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From Rob Weir <robw...@apache.org>
Subject Re: [LIST MAIL] False Bounces from ooo-users
Date Fri, 23 Mar 2012 18:28:26 GMT
Again, Infra manages the mail servers and the list servers, so posting
all these details to ooo-users and ooo-dev doesn't really get you
closer to a resolution.  I'd recommend a note to Infra on their list,
or a JIRA issue.

-Rob

On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 2:02 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton
<dennis.hamilton@acm.org> wrote:
> The bounce messages are identified as being From:
>    "Mail Delivery Subsystem" <MAILER-DAEMON@incubator.apache.org>
>
> Also, beside the original message (the one claimed to be bounced), there is the following
additional text attachments in the one I received:
>
>    Reporting-MTA: dns; mx1.incubator.apache.org
>    Received-From-MTA: DNS; [68.1.16.123]
>    Arrival-Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 21:46:34 -0700
>
>    Final-Recipient: RFC822; ooo-users@incubator.apache.org
>    X-Actual-Recipient: RFC822; ooo-users@incubator.apache.org
>    Action: failed
>    Status: 5.1.1
>    Last-Attempt-Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 21:46:34 -0700
>
> 68.1.16.123 is eastrmimpi05.cox.net
>
> I forgot that those little goodies might have interesting information in them.
>
> Thank you for your helpfulness, Rob.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rob Weir [mailto:robweir@apache.org]
> Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 10:36
> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [LIST MAIL] False Bounces from ooo-users
>
> To paraphrase.  Some users are getting bounce errors.  You don't know
> why.  But it is not coming from us.
>
> The PPMC has zero control of this.  If you think Infra needs to be
> involved, they have a list for that, and JIRA.
>
> -Rob
>
> On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 12:42 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton
> <dennis.hamilton@acm.org> wrote:
>> Posters to ooo-users@ i.a.o are receiving false bounce notices.  Their posts are
actually appearing on the list.  However, bounce notices are being received.  Users should
ignore these bounce notices. They can confirm that their message has actually been received
by inspecting the list archives.
>>
>> NOTE: If posters are reading the list via a secondary service, and their posts are
not being shown there, that is likely where the bounce is actually from.  This message could
be an indication that ooo-users@ i.a.o is not a recognized list somewhere.
>>
>>  - Dennis
>>
>> ANALYSIS FOR OOO-DEV ANALYSIS AND INFRASTRUCTURE TROUBLESHOOTING:
>>
>> These bounce notices have simple text and include the bounced message as an attachment.
>>
>> I have been receiving these in my Spam folder and I finally noticed.  (Most of my
received bounce messages *are* spam or the result of some spammer misusing my e-mail addresss
so I rarely look at them, especially if any of my messages have been reaching the lists I
am subscribed to.)
>>
>> I have provided the full headers of one of the bounce messages back to me.  This
attachment was my message of Thursday night (-0700) with subject "Implications for security
vulnerability (CVE-2012-0037).  It can be seen successfully posted to the list at
>>
>> <http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-ooo-users/201203.mbox/%3c008c01cd08af$dd22b230$97681690$@acm.org%3e>
>>
>> (I see a discrepancy in the time-stamps also.  The list shows date 2012-03-23T04:46:07Z,
My copy from the list is dated as sent on 2012-03-22T21:46-0700 (agreeing with 2012-03-23T04:46Z),
yet  cox.net received the bounce notice from Lanny PC (!?) at 2012-03-23-02:28:25-0400, corresponding
to 2012-03-23T06:28:25Z).  This, and the nature of the message, has me suspect that these
peculiar bounce messages are post-list-arrival and from a downstream special-protocol recipient.
>>
>>  - - - - - - - These are the headers on the bounce message I received - - - - -
>>
>> Return-path: <SRS0+6f165d3367e37ed5=B6=incubator.apache.org=mailer-daemon@srs.acm.org>
>> [ .... ] Final path irrelevant
>> Received: from psmtp.com ([74.125.149.93])
>>        by acm26-4.acm.org (ACM Email Forwarding Service) with SMTP id HJA88133
>>        for <dennis.hamilton@acm.org>; Fri, 23 Mar 2012 02:29:33 -0400
>> Received: from fed1rmfepo203.cox.net ([68.230.241.148]) by na3sys009amx167.postini.com
([74.125.148.10]) with SMTP;
>>        Fri, 23 Mar 2012 06:29:32 GMT
>> Received: from fed1rmimpo306.cox.net ([68.230.241.174])
>>          by fed1rmfepo203.cox.net
>>          (InterMail vM.8.01.04.00 201-2260-137-20101110) with ESMTP
>>          id <20120323062932.XRYI24333.fed1rmfepo203.cox.net@fed1rmimpo306.cox.net>
>>          for <dennis.hamilton@acm.org>; Fri, 23 Mar 2012 02:29:32 -0400
>> Received: from Lanny-PC ([70.170.110.212])
>>        by fed1rmimpo306.cox.net with bizsmtp
>>        id ouUP1i0034b06CN03uUQtt; Fri, 23 Mar 2012 02:28:25 -0400
>> X-CT-Class: Clean
>> X-CT-Score: 0.00
>> X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A020201.4F6C184B.00A8,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=256
>> X-CT-Spam: 0
>> X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=/z6nVqgKJubJSJFLDUxhpnTtIgTQeP8W3J+4y8l5h/4=
>>  c=1 sm=1 a=SJIS0OigG-AA:10 a=jksSu5QgSbTtBvHH52dhDQ==:17 a=mV9VRH-2AAAA:8
>>  a=knQjgZu5OroMix5nMfYA:9 a=YCs5jFZFAnHFUSHzdFsA:9 a=_4BPYxVLAAAA:8
>>  a=-hyCGDrDAAAA:8 a=B6ByjeiWjoBosR4FfqUA:9 a=DpDQOH3bnqWrVRIQN1UA:7
>>  a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=93i8w3xbaaYA:10 a=Er2gK3W4G3kA:10
>>  a=jksSu5QgSbTtBvHH52dhDQ==:117
>> X-CM-Score: 0.00
>> Authentication-Results: cox.net; none
>> From: "Mail Delivery Subsystem" <MAILER-DAEMON@incubator.apache.org>
>> To: Dennis E. Hamilton <dennis.hamilton@acm.org>
>> Subject: Returned mail: User unknown
>> Auto-submitted: auto-generated (failure)
>> MIME-Version: 1.0
>> Content-type: multipart/report;
>>         report-type=delivery-status;
>>        boundary="XGC23002.1275609600/mx1.incubator.apache.org"
>> Message-ID: <CHILKAT-MID-5664642a-6e2d-e0ab-cf8d-c488c2f0a436@Lanny-PC>
>> Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2012 02:29:32 -0400
>> X-pstn-neptune: 0/0/0.00/0
>> X-pstn-levels:     (S:66.88766/99.90000 CV:99.9000 FC:95.5390 LC:95.5390 R:95.9108
P:95.9108 M:97.0282 C:98.6951 )
>> X-pstn-dkim: 0 skipped:not-enabled
>> X-pstn-settings: 3 (1.0000:1.0000) s cv gt3 gt2 gt1
>> X-pstn-addresses: from <MAILER-DAEMON@incubator.apache.org> [271/12]
>> The original message was received at Thu, 22 Mar 2012 21:46:34 -0700
>> from [68.1.16.123]
>>
>>  - - - - - - - The Bounce Message I received - - - - - - - -
>>
>>   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
>> ooo-users@incubator.apache.org
>>    (expanded from: ooo-users@incubator.apache.org)
>>
>>   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
>> mail.local: unknown name: ooo-users
>> 550 ooo-users@incubator.apache.org... User unknown
>>
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