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From Dave Fisher <dave2w...@comcast.net>
Subject Re: Web page for NL communities ?
Date Tue, 20 Mar 2012 23:07:59 GMT

On Mar 20, 2012, at 2:51 PM, Kay Schenk wrote:

> On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 4:59 PM, Rob Weir <robweir@apache.org> wrote:
> 
>> On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 6:52 PM, Kay Schenk <kay.schenk@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 3:06 PM, Kay Schenk <kay.schenk@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 9:26 AM, Rob Weir <robweir@apache.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 12:03 PM, Kay Schenk <kay.schenk@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 6:30 AM, Rob Weir <robweir@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> We currently have a web page that lists all of our mailing lists:
>>>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/mailing-lists.html
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> However, the native language lists that we're creating recently
are
>>>>>>> not there.  And I think adding them to that page would not be
the
>> best
>>>>>>> approach.  I wonder if it would be better to highlight these
>>>>>>> communities on their own page.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> So something like this:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On our podling page here:
>> http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Add new page under Community called "Native Language Communities"
or
>>>>>>> maybe something a little shorter.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> This sounds like a lovely  idea!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On that page, explain a little what these groups are and are
not.
>>>>>>> They are not separate Apache projects, but are "interest groups"
or
>>>>>>> "language sections" within the AOO project, concentrating on
native
>>>>>>> language support, localization, marketing efforts, etc.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Then have a table listing the languages and the mailing lists.
We
>>>>>>> could also have links to the website, e.g., de.openoffice.org.
If
>>>>>>> there are official social media accounts used by that community
(a
>>>>>>> Facebook page ot Twitter account, for example) we could link
to
>> those
>>>>>>> as well.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> It might be easiest, considering the state we're in with the NL
>> mailing
>>>>>> lists right now, to document these on a wiki page, and just link
to
>> THAT
>>>>>> from the  new NL info page you suggest.
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Wiki is fine also.  Personally, I prefer the Apache CMS and mdtext
>>>>> over Confluence wiki. It is easier to make a good looking page that
>>>>> has a consistent style with the rest of the site.  But as Emerson
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by
>>>>> little statesmen and philosophers and divines. With consistency a
>>>>> great soul has simply nothing to do. He may as well concern himself
>>>>> with his shadow on the wall. Speak what you think today in hard words,
>>>>> and tomorrow speak what tomorrow thinks in hard words again, though it
>>>>> contradict every thing you said today."
>>>>> 
>>>>> So inconsistency is fine with me as well.
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Well it would certainly be easier for the mailing list "requestors" to
>>>> update a wiki page once their request had been processed, and then link
>> the
>>>> web site page *TO* that I think. I will start this page, and hopefully
>>>> folks will update.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> I've seen messages/setups go by for the new mailing lists, but
>>>>> honestly, I
>>>>>> have not been paying close attention.
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I think we have current or requested lists for Japanese, German,
>>>>> Italian, Spanish, Brazilian Portuguese and French.
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> This is what I've found so far...
>>>> 
>>>> ooo-users-de
>>>> ooo-general-ja
>>>> ooo-geral-ptbr
>>>> ooo-general-es
>>>> ooo-utenti-it
>>>> ooo-progetto-it
>>>> 
>>>> OK, I'll get started on this.
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> Well this took a bit more time than I expected, but we now have a "Native
>>> Language" area on the podling web site --
>>> 
>>> http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/
>>> 
>> 
>> This looks good.  Thanks.
>> 
>>> Since we have few native language mailing lists right now, I guess not a
>>> problem with just listing them here. And thanks to Kazunari Hirano for
>>> pointing me what had already been discussed and the planning wiki page.
>>> 
>>> I have yet to edit the existing Native Language page on the web server.
>>> Instead of just deleting the current project leads, though, I'm thinking
>> of
>>> just changing the header to "Former Project Lead" in case someone (else)
>>> want s to contact that person. Thoughts on this?
>>> 
>> 
>> Are we sure that the former leads actually want to be contacted?    It
>> may be more useful for a visitor to be directed to your new page.
>> 
> 
> I guess I was thinking if someone new from one of the areas was thinking
> about stepping up they might want to contact the former lead -- but, then
> again, maybe not. Really I don't have a problem with removing the former
> project leads. Louis is still the point guy on the info page, so maybe
> that's good enough.

There is a link[1] on this page. When you go to it is outdated and replaced by a wiki page.

[1] http://www.openoffice.org/l10n/languages.html

Regards,
Dave

> 
> 
>> 
>> -Rob
>> 
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>>> If someone could create this new wiki page, I would happy to create
>> the
>>>>>> front-end for it (and figure out how to modify the project menu).
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -Rob
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>> MzK
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> "Follow your bliss."
>>>>>>        -- attributed to Joseph Campbell
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> 
>>>> 
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> MzK
>>>> 
>>>> "Follow your bliss."
>>>>         -- attributed to Joseph Campbell
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> 
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> MzK
>>> 
>>> "Follow your bliss."
>>>        -- attributed to Joseph Campbell
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> MzK
> 
> "Follow your bliss."
>         -- attributed to Joseph Campbell


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