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From Dave Fisher <dave2w...@comcast.net>
Subject Re: [WWW] need a volunteer to update the Native Language main landing page...
Date Sat, 17 Mar 2012 23:12:42 GMT

On Mar 17, 2012, at 9:07 AM, Kay Schenk wrote:

> Ariel, Rob...
> 
> On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 6:05 PM, Ariel Constenla-Haile
> <arielch@apache.org>wrote:
> 
>> Hi *,
>> 
>> On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 04:45:54PM -0400, Rob Weir wrote:
>>> On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 4:15 PM, Kay Schenk <kay.schenk@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>> Hi all--
>>>> 
>>>> With Rob's request to add a page about the current NL mailing lists, I
>> took
>>>> a look at:
>>>> 
>>>> http://www.openoffice.org/native-lang/
>>>> 
>>>> for additional information.  Of course, it's not up to date.
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> I love the opening line: "This document looks complicated but it is not"
>>> 
>>>> It would be REALLY great if someone could edit this page/area
>> appropriately
>>>> given OpenOffice's ASF context. Thanks.
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> The NLC was described as "composed of those projects working on all
>>> aspects related to the localization and support of OpenOffice.org,
>>> including localization, QA, support, documentation, and marketing"
>>> 
>>> From what I understand, this was hierarchical/bureaucratic NLC, with
>>> defined roles, levels, process, elected leaders,etc.  Do we want to
>>> recreate some part of that formality at Apache?  It is not my personal
>>> preference, but we did that with the community forum volunteers and no
>>> one seems to have died.
>> 
> 
> Rob -- I have no opinion about this one way or another. As far as I'm
> concerned, whatever works. We must take care to not assume or designate NL
> "area leaders" as official representatives though, I think.
> 
> 
>> 
>> IMO the Forum was a different case, it was already a working structure.
>> The NLC is in a rather different situation, most people listed in
>> http://www.openoffice.org/projects/native-lang.html is not working here,
>> the NLC as a structure can be considered dead, so it is a good chance to
>> start anew and not repeat old mistakes.
>> 
> 
> OK, Ariel, thanks for the information -- that was my assumption also.
> Perhaps as a first start we should remove the  "project contacts" as was
> done with the other former projects.
> 
> 
>> + 1 to follow the Apache Way here
>> - 1 to bringing back the old hierarchical structure here at this new
>> Apache home
>> 
> 
> OK...thanks for the input.
> 
> 
>> 
>> Concerning that web page http://www.openoffice.org/native-lang/ is now
>> completely obsolete, it can be removed.
>> 
> 
> Well I think such a landing page provides some value -- for at least
> explaining what this area would hope to accomplish, what the objectives,
> are, and what Apache OpenOffice is able to provide in the way of support.
> 
> Currently, this page is indeed WRONG, but I would like to see what Kevin
> SIsco can come up with. I know there was recently quite a long thread about
> the N-L projects. We need to review what was discussed there.
> 
> ... and regards to you!

I am a big -1 on removing the page - http://www.openoffice.org/native-lang/ 

I spent a HUGE amount of effort making sure that all of the NL sites remained available should
anyone return. It would be a horrible shame to remove this page which is the ONLY map we have
on the ooo-site to all of the NL sites. There is an out of date MediaWiki page with the same
information.

I agree we should lose the names. It has been discussed. Any committer can do it.

I agree with Kay, let's see what Kevin Sisco offers.

Regards,
Dave

> 
> 
>> 
>> Regards
>> --
>> Ariel Constenla-Haile
>> La Plata, Argentina
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> MzK
> 
> "Follow your bliss."
>         -- attributed to Joseph Campbell


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