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From Shane Curcuru <>
Subject Re: Fwd: Re: After AOO 3.4, attracting new contributors
Date Thu, 29 Mar 2012 13:08:22 GMT
Thanks Pedro for explaining the non-profit angle.  The ASF does not 
offer any such certificates currently - it's hard to see how they work 
with our primary mission (of the ASF overall), which is providing 
software for the public good.

There are plenty of other third parties who do this kind of thing, both 
in terms of training, and in terms of education and the real world. 
Presuming those third parties respect our brand and trademarks, that 
model works out better for everyone, since they can focus on the 
training and ensuring the certifications are meaningful and fairly awarded.

One model that Apache (and many projects) do participate in is Google's 
Summer of Code, so that might be a place to look for project ideas or 
just ask for help, either from the GSoC folks or from the various Apache 
projects (including this podling, right?) participating:

- Shane

On 2012-03-29 1:21 AM, wrote:
> Hi Pedro Giffuni,
> You are absolutely right, i could not think the other side it(exploiting&
> making money inexchange of certificates). The certificates are issyed by
> Apache and issued only when there is a contribution.
> The second point is that most of the students generally do not have any
> ideas on projects. When a person is seriously working on the project, i am
> not sure how much time he/she can spend guiding/mentoring the
> students/freshers.
> With out any benefit to the student/fresher i am not sure how many people
> will be willing to contribute because they should be able to show the
> contribution as experience in their resumes.
> Thanks&  Regards,
> Ram,
> Im Software Systems.
> On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 21:37:56 -0700 (PDT), Pedro Giffuni<>
> wrote:
>> Hi Ram;
>> We are strictly non-profit here so I am not sure how far
>> we could go with such certifications. I think it's a
>> delicate matter and sooner or later someone would likely
>> complain about students being exploited or your company
>> making money in exchange of ASF certificates.
>> We certainly can have a Wiki page for students to register
>> their projects and ideas and if their projects are really
>> good we would almost certainly invite them to become
>> Apache committers but that as far as we can go (I think).
>> cheers,
>> Pedro.
>> --- Mer 28/3/12, ha scritto:
>>> Hi Rob,
>>> Well, the large talent pool is available here in India with
>>> millions of
>>> students graduating in Engineering,MCA(Master of computer
>>> applications).
>>> They all look for a project for their final semester. We can
>>> somehow try to
>>> attract them but they also try to see what  is the
>>> benefit for them. Most
>>> of these guys they learn C/Java as part of their
>>> syllabus.But we need to
>>> retrain them as they generally  just try to pass and
>>> not to be master of
>>> it.
>>> So we need to train them and make them useful.
>>> I have not seen the code base yet but based on the search
>>> results what i
>>> have understood is that it is implemented in
>>> Java,
>>> OOBasic,
>>> Cpp,
>>> Python,
>>> XSL,
>>> ooRexx
>>>  From Freshers point of view they prefer the new languages
>>> like
>>> Java(ofcourse it is a old one but still new when compared to
>>> C/C++) or
>>> advanced stuff like Android. But still we can train people
>>> in C++ but it is
>>> easy to attract people for Java.
>>> If we know the exact requirement of people then we can try
>>> to gather the
>>> people and train them and make them good to contribute to
>>> the project.
>>> We have a software training institute and staff are from top
>>> MNC's.Lot of
>>> students approach us for Live Projects to gain some real
>>> experience.
>>> So we may try to accept the people and train them. We charge
>>> the students
>>> for training as we have to pay the trainers.
>>> Ultimately what students expect is an experience letter from
>>> Apache so that
>>> they can utilise it for future employment. In addition to
>>> issuing the
>>> certificate we should have their contribution mentioned in
>>> our website
>>> otherwise other job seekers will fake the cetificates.
>>> I think if the company(Apache) is ready to issue a
>>> certificate mentioning
>>> their contribution towards the project and list their
>>> contribution in AOO
>>> website then it should definetly work.
>>> Thanks&  Regards,
>>> Ram,
>>> Im Software Systems

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