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From Shane Curcuru <>
Subject Re: Is any one here familiar with OpenOffice?
Date Tue, 13 Mar 2012 12:23:08 GMT
+1 to Pedro's point that the main end-user channel is crucially important.

In one way, it feels like there are two discussions in this sub-thread:

- Rob zeroing in on his infographic idea (and building at least a small 
subset of good data on participant history).  It will make a good blog 
post and pointer for information on who's working here.

- Several other people believing that the main end-user facing 
information source is probably the most important tool we have to deal 
with either FUD, or just plain user interest.

Dave - do we have a "one stop shop" for pointers for committers who want 
to work on the oo.o website?  In particular for text only changes (i.e. 
no graphics or style stuff), are there any gotchas on any of the main 
parts of the site these days?

Personally, I agree with Pedro, and I'm far more interested in working 
on the larger story of ensuring that end users understand the transition 
from OOo -> AOO.  Presuming I can free up some time next week I'd like 
to do something about the quite annoying lack of obvious "Apache" 
mentions all over the oo.o site.

- Shane

On 2012-03-12 5:49 PM, Dave Fisher wrote:
> On Mar 12, 2012, at 1:07 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
>> On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 3:59 PM, Pedro Giffuni<>  wrote:
>>> On 03/12/12 14:48, Rob Weir wrote:
>>>> On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 3:41 PM, Pedro Giffuni<>   wrote:
>>>>> On 03/12/12 13:42, Rob Weir wrote:
>>>>>> I'm not suggesting we argue with anyone.  I'm suggesting we make
>>>>>> truthful positive statements about this project and the experience
>>>>>> level of its participants.
>>>>> FWIW, and just my humble opinion ...
>>>>> I don't think we should spend time discussing such arguments
>>>>> when we have the one instrument that defines the true
>>>>> continuation of the project, namely .
>>>> Oh, I'm sure we all have our own preferred ways of doing this.  The
>>>> nice thing is that they are not mutually exclusive. We only need to
>>>> agree to be accurate and positive.   We don't need to agree on a
>>>> narrow set of specific communications. Some volunteers might work
>>>> better with HTML, others with YouTube videos, others with graphics.
>>>> Let's find more ways of saying "yes and"  instead of "no, but".
>>>> -Rob
>>> You didn't get it: the channel matters.
>>> If a blog from the Apache Foundation says "OpenOffice is not
>>> dead" and a blog from TDF says " is dead",
>>> well ... both can be wrong or right ...
>>> OTOH, If the says "alive and kicking" the
>>> message is way more credible.
>> So that is a "yes, and" statement.  Yes, let's do the home page, and
>> the other things as well, if we have volunteers to do them. They work
>> together.  Certainly the home page gets a lot of traffic, so it can
>> reinforce a message.
>>> This said ... I don't feel confident enough to modify the
>>> main page: if I, for example, screw things up badly and
>>> want to revert my changes, can I do that easily in
>>> Apache CMS?
>> It may depend on whether you want to change only the main index.html
>> page, or change the repeated page elements that appear on every page.
>> Dave would know how far you can go without forcing a complete rebuild.
> We now use Server Side Includes and there are no longer any sledgehammer builds.
> I have a notion to make it easy to add news to the main page. The buttons are a current
issue on the main page and the downloads.
> It is safe to change/update news stories using the Apache CMS Bookmarklet directly from If you are not a committer then you can create a patch.
> Regards,
> Dave
>> -Rob
>>> cheers,
>>> Pedro.

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