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From Nancy K <nancythirt...@yahoo.com>
Subject HTML 5 Re: Doctype of websites
Date Thu, 15 Mar 2012 16:12:34 GMT


Please consider HTML5 - which is much easier and will soon be the standard. I have not figured
out how to  make the template changes in OpenOffice, but if someone is doing that - this
format leads to the future. Basically HTML5 means everything that is new in HTML - it is not
the standard 'yet' but will be very soon.  Something to consider - 

W3Schools explains code format :
http://www.w3schools.com/html5/html5_intro.asp 


<!DOCTYPE html>
<html>
<head>
<title>Title of the document</title>
</head>

<body>
The content of the document......
</body>

</html> 


W3C Dev Editors draft updated daily:
http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/Overview.html 


Doctype explained:

W3C schools
http://www.w3schools.com/html5/tag_doctype.asp 




HTML5 API File features
http://www.html5rocks.com/en/features/file_access



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________________________________
 From: Dave Fisher <dave2wave@comcast.net>
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org 
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 8:32 AM
Subject: Re: Doctype of websites
 

On Mar 15, 2012, at 7:37 AM, Rob Weir wrote:

> On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 10:33 AM, Dave Fisher <dave2wave@comcast.net> wrote:
>> 
>> On Mar 15, 2012, at 12:22 AM, Regina Henschel wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Joe Schaefer schrieb:
>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>> From: Regina Henschel<rb.henschel@t-online.de>
>>>>> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 5:31 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: Doctype of websites
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Joe,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Joe Schaefer schrieb:
>>>>>> Those de.openoffice.org pages should redirect
>>>>>> to www.openoffice.org/de pages, if not your
>>>>>> DNS resolver is busted.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I had indeed set de.openoffice.org to 192.9.163.104. Removing it makes
>>>>> redirecting work.
>>>>> 
>>>>> That means the pages at de.openoffice.org had been the original ones,
>>>>> but will be deleted in near future. They had been imported to
>>>>> ooo-site.apache.org/de and here they have got a different doctype. Right?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Well sort of. If you look at the actual document on the site
>>>> you will probably find it contains an XHTML doctype even now.
>>>> The thing is that the CMS build system as Dave has designed it
>>>> will strip most of the header matter out of the file and replace
>>>> it with a generic one supplied by a template.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>    If that's not the problem
>>>>>> then you need to refresh your pages as they
>>>>>> are identical on the server.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> As to why the doctype is different from the original
>>>>>> document, that's probably due to the way Dave worked
>>>>>> out the templates for the site.  If we need to scrape
>>>>>> the doctype out of each individual page that will require
>>>>>> some perl coding work, some templating work,
>>>>>> and another sledgehammer style commit- ie not something
>>>>>> to be taken lightly.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Our pages had been XHTML with all the differences to HTML. And we tried
>>>>> to produce valid pages (including W3C check button). It is not
>>>>> impossible to change the pages and it can be done bit by bit while
>>>>> reviewing the pages. But the aim should be clear.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Well I can't advise you how to proceed from here, only point out
>>>> that there is some impedance mismatch between how your site builds
>>>> work and what's actually in these documents.  The choice seems
>>>> to be either standardize all the documents on a common doctype
>>>> or have the perl code pull the doctype out of the original document
>>>> if it exists and pass it along to the template as an argument.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> You might even be better off just not supplying a doctype at all
>>>> and letting the browser figure it out.  Up to you folks.
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> If we want valid pages, a common doctype is needed because the inserted part
has to be written in a way, that it fits this doctype. For example you need for the feather-logo
an <img .../> element in XHTML and in HTML only <img ...>. So I think we need
to agree on one doctype.
>>> 
>>> Is it possible to count, how many pages of all are actually having an XHTML doctype?
(I'm not familiar with command line.)
>>> 
>>> Kind regards
>>> Regina
>>> 
>>> P.S. The feather img-Element is missing the alt-attribute.
>> 
>> I have been looking into this. In general the skeleton is the non-compliant part
and is what should be changed. However there are many of the NLC sites that are very much
HTML.
>> 
>> One more sledgehammer will happen ... but planning needs to be careful.
>> 
> 
> What if we went subdomain by subdomain and ran HTML Tidy on the
> content to coerce it to a single doctype. Would that butcher things?

We have a file called content/brand.mdtext that controls the branding language and logo for
each page. 

In templates we have templates/ssi.mdtext and templates/api/ssi.mdtext

David-Fishers-MacBook-Air:templates dave$ more ssi.mdtext
brand:  /brand.html
footer: /footer.html
topnav: /topnav.html
home:           home

I think that ssi.mdtext should add a line like:

doctype:    <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/loose.dtd">

And if "mn" needs a different treatment:

templates/mn/ssi.mdtext
brand:  /mn/brand.html
footer: /footer.html
topnav: /mn//topnav.html
home:           home
doctype: 

This fits the NL plan. I want to avoid divergent skeleton.html files, and it may be the case
that some sections will want an xhtml skeleton while others get a html.

I still intend to avoid changing every file.

I've $job to pay attention to until late today ... sorry that I'm dribbling out these plans
bit by bit.

Regards,
Dave


> 
> -Rob
> 
>> Regards,
>> Dave
>> 
>> 
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