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From Andre Fischer>
Subject Re: Pootle Data
Date Thu, 09 Feb 2012 16:04:53 GMT
Hi Dave,

On 09.02.2012 16:45, Dave Fisher wrote:
> Hi Andre,
> On Feb 9, 2012, at 7:09 AM, Andre Fischer wrote:
>> On 09.02.2012 15:23, Huaidong Qiu wrote:
>>> Where can we get the data? I can help to check and understand the toolset
>>> and process.
>> That sounds great.  Please have a look at
> It would be a good idea to add an INFRA issue to JIRA to track loading of this data to
the Apache Pootle Server.

I don't know if we are ready for this yet.  First we have to make sure 
which data set to use.

But you are right, eventually we have to think about how to upload data 
to the pootle server.  And when. I mean, once we after the initial 
upload of the whole data set, how do we handle new strings introduced by 
eg new UI elements.  One option would be to have the build server 
perform an additional step: determine the new strings and upload them.
Would that technically be possible, or do we have to manually open an 
INFRA issue for each upload?


> Regards,
> Dave
>> -Andre
>>> On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 1:04 AM, Louis Suárez-Potts
>>> <>wrote:
>>>> Hi
>>>> On 8 February 2012 11:49, Andre Fischer<>   wrote:
>>>>> On 08.02.2012 17:31, Stuart Swales wrote:
>>>>>> On 07/02/2012 14:02, Andre Fischer wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>> I recently had a little time to look at the pootle data. Here
is what I
>>>>>>> have found out so far. Please keep in mind that this is new for
me and
>>>>>>> that my interpretations may be wrong.
>>>>>>> For context I will start with a short description of the directory
>>>>>>> structure of the 80 GB of the backup disk:
>>>>>>> In the top-level podirectory/ there is a sub-directory openoffice_org/
>>>>>>> that probably is the translation data of It contains
>>>>>>> sub-directories for most languages (more on the exact set below.)
>>>>>>> The content of podirectory is available at [1].
>>>>>>> Below the top-level backup/ there are two directories DEV_m103/
>>>>>>> DEV_94/ for two milestones. Below these you can find directories
>>>>>>> backconvert-110326/ that probably contain backups for certain
>>>>>>> (March 26 2011 in this example. The most recent is
>>>>>>> DEV_m103/backconvert-110401 from April 1st of last year.
>>>>>>> After comparing time stamps I now think that we can disregard
the whole
>>>>>>> backup/ directory. There are .po files under podirectory/ that
are from
>>>>>>> later then April 1st. Some files are from May.
>>>>>>> I then tried to find out whether the pootle data are older or
>>>> than
>>>>>>> the data in the extras/l10n module in our SVN repository. The
>>>> timestamps
>>>>>>> in the .sdf files are useless, our tools set them all to 2002-02-02.
>>>> The
>>>>>>> file time stamps can not be used directly because of the differing
>>>>>>> directory structures.
>>>>>>> Comparing the set of lanuages of the pootle server and that in
>>>>>>> extras/l10n/ was also inconclusive:
>>>>>>> The set of languages that are present in both data sets is
>>>>>>> af ar as ast bg bn bo bs ca cs cy da dz es et fa fr fur ga gd
gl gu he
>>>>>>> hi hu id is it ja jbo ka kab kn ko ku lt lv ml mr my nb nl nn
nr nso ny
>>>>>>> oc om or pap pl ps pt ru sc si sk so sq ss st sv ta te th tn
tr ts ug
>>>>>>> uk uz ve vi xh zu
>>>>>>> Languages only in extras/l10n/ are:
>>>>>>> be-BY br brx de dgo el eo eu fi hr kid kk km kok ks ky mai mk
mn mni ne
>>>>>>> pa-IN ro rw sa-IN sat sd sh sl sr sw-TZ tg
>>>>>>> Languages only on the pootle server are:
>>>>>>> pyg son tk tlh
>>>>>>> See [2] for a list of language ids. (tlh for example is klingon)
>>>>>>> So, we probably have to merge both data sets and hope for the
>>>>>>> Any information from people who know the localization process
better is
>>>>>>> welcome.
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> Andre
>>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>>> [2]
>>>>>> And what has happened to en-GB and en-ZA ?
>>>>> Ah, at least one person who reads my mails :-)
>>>>> I forgot to add the following languages as being present in both
>>>> locations:
>>>>>     ca-XV en-GB en-ZA pt-BR zh-CN zh-TW
>>>>> Reason: These six language ids are written slightly differently on the
>>>>> pootle server (with a '_' (underline) in the middle) and in l10n/ (with
>>>>> '-' (dash)).  I sorted them differently and then forgot about them.
>>>> Sorry.
>>>> Thanks. And I too actually read your mail messages :-)--and deep
>>>> appreciate the work.
>>>> ciao
>>>> louis
>>>>> -Andre

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