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Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 07:28:00 -0800 (PST)
From: Pedro Giffuni <pfg@apache.org>
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Subject: Re: Question related derivative code based on our Apache licensed
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Hi Michael;=0A=0AJust to be clear ...=0AI am not a lawyer, and even if I we=
re whatever I say in=0Arespect to licensing doesn't have any legal permissi=
on=0Aor state any rule wrt what should be done.=0A=0Ajust to make that clea=
r :).=0A=0A--- Lun 16/1/12, Michael Meeks <michael.meeks@suse.com> ha scrit=
to:=0A=0A> Hi Pedro,=0A> =0A> On Wed, 2012-01-04 at 06:38 -0800, Pedro Giff=
uni wrote:=0A> > What will happen is that the code will keep the=0A> MPL/LG=
PL3=0A> > restrictions in addition to the AL2.=0A> =0A> =A0=A0=A0 That woul=
d be the plan; though our code=0A> will -emphatically- not be=0A> available=
 under the AL2; only an MPL/LGPLv3+ [as well as=0A> any lingering terms fro=
m the AL2].=0A> =0A=0AIn the projects I participate we never *ever* replace=
 a=0Alicense, we just add a copyright header with our license=0Awhen releva=
nt. I would expect LO will have to comply=0Awith AL2, adding the respective=
 restrictions imposed=0Aby your own licensing scheme (MPL/GPL).=0A=0A> > - =
They will have to carry the AL2 license among their=0A> code=0A> > and head=
ers, and the clause 5 is particularly nice to=0A> have.=0A> =0A> =A0=A0=A0 =
Clause five of the AL2 is:=0A> =0A> =A0=A0=A0 "5. Submission of Contributio=
ns. Unless=0A> You explicitly state=0A> =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0otherwise, any Contr=
ibution=0A> intentionally submitted for=0A> =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0inclusion in the=
 Work by You=0A> to the Licensor shall be under the=0A> =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0term=
s and conditions of this=0A> License, without any additional=0A> =A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0terms or conditions.=0A> Notwithstanding the above, nothing herein=0A=
> =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0shall supersede or modify the=0A> terms of any separate li=
cense=0A> =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0agreement you may have=0A> executed with Licensor =
regarding such=0A> =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0Contributions."=0A> =0A> =A0=A0=A0 IANAL,=
 but to create a superabundance of=0A> clarity - no contribution=0A> submit=
ted to LibreOffice is a 'Contribution'. It is not=0A> submitted to=0A> 'Lic=
ensor' which is ASF (cf. definition of Contribution).=0A> The TDF=0A> infra=
structure is not /managed by, or on behalf of, the=0A> ASF/.=0A> =0A=0AIssu=
e 5 only applies to contributions made to the Apache=0Aproject. Surely the =
code that has been contributed to LO=0Acannot be taken by us unless the aut=
hor specifically=0Aauthorizes sends it to us too.=0A=0A> =A0=A0=A0 If it wo=
uld help to clarify this, we can=0A> add a "Not a contribution"=0A> line or=
 similar language to our new (MPL/LGPL)onAL2 header=0A> as/when we've got t=
hat worked through.=0A> =0A=0AThis type of sillyness, attempting to obfusca=
te the language,=0Ais one of the reasons why I keep away from projects with=
=0Aunreadable licenses.=0A=0A> =A0=A0=A0 Of course, individuals are quite a=
t=0A> liberty to choose to license their=0A> contributions to the ASF if th=
ey so choose, and to include=0A> -their- code=0A> into either project; thou=
gh that is something I'd=0A> personally=0A> discourage :-)=0A> =0A> =A0=A0=
=A0 So - any expansion on "is particularly=0A> nice to have" would be helpf=
ul=0A> Pedro - why do you think this is particularly nice ? :-)=0A> =0A=0AI=
t is really nice because in this project we don't request=0Asilly licensing=
 statements. We assume people are not=0Astupid enough to send us code that =
we can't use. Here=0Athe term "stupid" has the same connotation as defined =
in=0ACarlo Cipola's classical paper:=0A    http://cantrip.org/stupidity.htm=
l=0A=0A(BTW, Anyone has a link to the original in italian?)=0A=0Acheers,=0A=
=0APedro.