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From Ross Gardler <>
Subject Re: Category-B tarballs in SVN (was Re: External libraries)
Date Fri, 13 Jan 2012 17:35:37 GMT
On 13 January 2012 16:35, Joe Schaefer <> wrote:
> Please do not step down from the PPMC Pedro,
> you have done good work here and it is very important
> that the PPMC consist of such people going forward.


> Creating a class of active committers who are not
> on the PPMC will not help move this project closer
> to graduation.  Let's please avoid that circumstance
> over what appears to be a simple disagreement.

+1000 - there are many difficult things to resolve, we need all
perspectives to find the optimal solution.


> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Pedro Giffuni <>
>> To:
>> Cc:
>> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 11:31 AM
>> Subject: Re: Category-B tarballs in SVN (was Re: External libraries)
>> --- Ven 13/1/12, Jürgen Schmidt ha scritto:
>> ...
>>>  well that is a valid point that comes into my mind as well
>>>  when I have read the mails and thought a little bit longer.
>>>  If that is the only reason than we can move it besides
>>>  trunk. But that is a technical solution only and it doesn't
>>>  solve the underlying problem.
>>>  And what is more important we can't exchange everything now
>>>  and we can't remove all the features that depends on this
>>>  category-b stuff. Otherwise the office is no longer useable
>>>  and we can stop here or can kill the project directly.
>> I am only asking for the technical solution. I think we
>> have discussed sufficiently that replacing this stuff
>> is possible but will take time.
>> I am also not setting any time frame for moving those files.
>> beyond that we should do it somewhen before release.
>>>  The whole discussion is not really motivating for project
>>>  members and of course does not really promote the Apache way
>>>  or the ASF in general.
>> I agree it's not very motivating but in my defense it was
>> something that had to be discussed sooner better than later.
>>>  So we always have to take Windows into account and on
>>>  Windows you don't have system libraries for this stuff.
>> We can do packages of this stuff. It will even save time
>> from building over and over again the same stuff.
>>>  So please come back to reality.
>>>  Juergen
>>>  PS who will go demotivated into the weekend
>> OK, this is something I really didn't intend. This was
>> meant to be discussed on a strictly technical level
>> without demotivating developers or calling "bloody
>> murder" on the project.
>> I hereby drop *any* claim that we may not be complying
>> with any relevant policy. Also to give full assurance
>> that I will not be problem to the project I will be
>> stepping down from the PPMC so my vote will not be
>> binding: I am really only interested in technical
>> discussions anyway.
>> Pedro.

Ross Gardler (@rgardler)
Programme Leader (Open Development)

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