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From Joe Schaefer <joe_schae...@yahoo.com>
Subject Re: suggested CMS workflows for ooo-site
Date Wed, 04 Jan 2012 18:54:11 GMT
----- Original Message -----

> From: Kay Schenk <kay.schenk@gmail.com>
> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Cc: 
> Sent: Wednesday, January 4, 2012 12:43 PM
> Subject: Re: suggested CMS workflows for ooo-site
> 
> On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 8:46 AM, Dave Fisher <dave2wave@comcast.net> wrote:
> 
>> 
>>  On Jan 4, 2012, at 8:28 AM, Joe Schaefer wrote:
>> 
>>  > Given that the size of ooo-site is around 9GB, there
>>  > are some unique challenges here in dealing with the CMS.
>>  > For the most part tho, the typical workflow of editing
>>  > a few pages on the site, committing them, and publishing
>>  > them can all be done reasonably effectively using the CMS
>>  > website.
>>  >
>>  > OTOH, people who need to monkey with templates/** or lib/**
>>  > files will trigger full site builds and their changes may
>>  > materially impact every file on the site.  While I've now
>>  > reduced the build time to around 4 minutes, the bottleneck
>>  > now remains squarely in the time it takes svn to commit back
>>  > those changes and to deal with merging those changes during
>>  > publication requests.
>> 
>>  Thanks for your improvements.
>> 
>>  >
>>  > In those circumstances I strongly advise you to use the
>>  > publish.pl script on people.apache.org to review and if
>>  > ok publish your changes.  This will eliminate the chances
>>  > that your browser times out a direct publish request to the
>>  > CMS site, which is a real hassle given that it takes ~15
>>  > minutes for a largeish publish request to be processed.
>> 
>>  I always use publish.pl when I use my sledgehammer ;-)
>> 
> 
> Well I haven't been using a sledgehammer at all, I think, but routinely use
> the following URL for publishing:
> 
> https://cms.apache.org/openofficeorg/publish
> 
> you need to login to use it, however. Just a web interface to publish.pl I
> think.

Yes, the publish.pl script uses the same url, but it's a bit faster
there because it's delivering raw JSON content versus templatized,
markdown-enabled HTML content.  Normally the difference is negligible,
but with multimegabyte change-sets caused by slegehammer commits
the difference becomes suddenly appreciable.

> 
> 
>>  I usually test my changes with local build_site.pl or build_file.pl.
>> 
>>  My observation is that the biggest bottleneck is more in the creation of
>>  the email reports. Particularly after publish.pl returns.

FYI Dave the same advice applies here: once publish.pl completes succesfully,
the commit has been made and you don't need to wait for further confirmation
from svnmailer.


>> 
>>  >
>>  > In the near future we will be upgrading svn to 1.7 on the CMS
>>  > server which will bring in better performance along with
>>  > full support for deletions via svn, but I don't expect the
>>  > performance changes to significantly alter the workflow I'm
>>  > recommending here.
>>  >
>>  > And please for the sake of others who want to work on minor
>>  > changes to the site, don't make a sledgehammer type commit
>>  > without following up with an eventual publish request, because
>>  > publish requests are an all-or-nothing type deal.  That means
>>  > a sledgehammer commit will cause unreasonable delays for people
>>  > who are trying to publish minor changes to the site, until
>>  > the person who did the sledgehammer commit follows thru and
>>  > publishes everything.
>> 
>>  I would recommend that larger template and skeleton changes with the whole
>>  ooo-site are done locally and fully tested before committing to svn..
>> 
> 
> Probably a VERY good idea...but I'm just as happy to have a limited set of
> folks (Dave!), dealing with site-wide template changes. Despite the fact
> that I've looked over the templates and tried to figure them out,
> well...I'm not real confident about making changes to them. :/ Unless, in
> your *free* time, you might work up a nice tutorial on them. :)

Just documenting my remarks in this thread on the site somewhere would be
wise IMO.  All I'm trying to point out is that a 9GB site requires more
cms usage documentation than the more typically sized <<100MB site we host.

HTH

> 
> 
>>  Do you have any recommendations for comparing a locally built site with
>>  current production in order to understand how big a sledgehammer is being
>>  built?
>> 
>>  Regards,
>>  Dave
>> 
>>  >
>>  >
>>  > HTH
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
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