Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E793993B2 for ; Thu, 22 Dec 2011 21:28:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 12328 invoked by uid 500); 22 Dec 2011 21:28:05 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 12268 invoked by uid 500); 22 Dec 2011 21:28:05 -0000 Mailing-List: contact ooo-dev-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 12260 invoked by uid 99); 22 Dec 2011 21:28:05 -0000 Received: from nike.apache.org (HELO nike.apache.org) (192.87.106.230) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Thu, 22 Dec 2011 21:28:05 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (nike.apache.org: domain of dave2wave@comcast.net designates 76.96.30.48 as permitted sender) Received: from [76.96.30.48] (HELO qmta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net) (76.96.30.48) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Thu, 22 Dec 2011 21:27:57 +0000 Received: from omta24.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.92]) by qmta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id CL7V1i00D1zF43QA5MTVCt; Thu, 22 Dec 2011 21:27:29 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.7] ([67.180.51.144]) by omta24.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id CN9Y1i00Q36gVt78kN9Z3P; Thu, 22 Dec 2011 22:09:33 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks! From: Dave Fisher In-Reply-To: <01af01ccc0ed$fe1bf910$fa53eb30$@acm.org> Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 13:27:34 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <96E8037A-40D4-41DC-A0C6-23ABF9CB74F4@comcast.net> <01a801ccc078$e9a0a690$bce1f3b0$@acm.org> <55F3F725-FADF-4B19-AE41-8350939D7D0E@comcast.net> <01ba01ccc082$281b48e0$7851daa0$@acm.org> <00cd01ccc0ce$42e8a2c0$c8b9e840$@acm.org> <1324580340.42269.YahooMailNeo@web160901.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <017301ccc0e2$64ffa840$2efef8c0$@orcmid.com> <1324583466.35771.YahooMailNeo@web160905.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <018e01ccc0e8$cf8de3b0$6ea9ab10$@acm.org> <5858017D-04CA-4BCC-BC4D-91617657E61E@comcast.net> <01af01ccc0ed$fe1bf910$fa53eb30$@acm.org> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org On Dec 22, 2011, at 1:09 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > All I know is that=20 >=20 > http://openoffice.org/projects/FOO/lists/ have important content = related to the lists that are still operating. >=20 > http://ooo-site.apache.org/projects/FOO/lists/ 404. >=20 > That's not a speculation. Go to http://www.openoffice.org/projects/www/lists and tell me what you = get. wave@minotaur:~$ curl http://www.openoffice.org/projects/www/lists ....=20

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... You will then see that ooo-site does not need any redirection for these = urls. Users do not have any expectation other than a 404. >=20 > So if you are only redirecting http://openoffice.org/ (or its index = page) to http://www.openoffice.org, no deep linking into openoffice.org = will redirect, is that right? KENAI does this redirect, not us. We do NOT need to redirect anything in = the http://openoffice.org/projects/ path. We are leaving that legacy = behind. > And only http://www.openoffice.org/ ... URLs will see = ooo-site.apache.org/ ... paths, is that that the idea? They will have the same IP. >=20 > OK, so that explains why there is no worry about recursion if = ooo-site.apache.org/projects/FOO/lists/ redirects to = openoffice.org/projects/FOO/lists/ as Joe suggests. I prefer that part = of it also. There is no worry because we just don't need it. I won't ask Joe to do = it. >=20 > I know how to do that on my own web sites, whether using .htaccess or = meta elements in page headers. For ooo-site, not so much. For the future, meta elements should work just fine. >=20 > And I am now going off list for a time while I sort out other work. Me too. A lot to TRY to convince you that there is no worry and no need. Regards, Dave >=20 > - Dennis=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Fisher [mailto:dave2wave@comcast.net]=20 > Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 12:42 > To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org > Subject: Re: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks! >=20 >=20 > On Dec 22, 2011, at 12:32 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: >=20 >> Now I'm even more confused. >>=20 >> Will http://openoffice.org/projects/www/lists/ still find the list = pages or will it redirect to = http://www.openoffice.org/projects/www/lists/ and 404, since = ooo-site.apache.org/projects/www/lists/ has nothing there? >=20 > No it won't redirect. It only redirects at the first level. >=20 > http://www.openoffice.org/projects/www/lists/ does not exist at Kenai = it gives a 404. Nothing to worry about. >=20 > The pattern is http://openoffice.org/projects/FOO/lists/ >=20 > Please try these urls in your browser before you speculate. >=20 > Regards, > Dave >=20 >=20 >=20 >>=20 >> - Dennis >>=20 >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Dave Fisher [mailto:dave2wave@comcast.net]=20 >> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 12:19 >> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org >> Cc: dennis.hamilton@acm.org >> Subject: Re: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks! >>=20 >>=20 >> On Dec 22, 2011, at 11:51 AM, Joe Schaefer wrote: >>=20 >>> But we're NOT cutting over "openoffice.org" >>> now so I don't see what the hemming and hawing >>> is about. We're doing "www.openoffice.org", >>> aren't we? >>=20 >> Dennis missed our discussion of this trick. >>=20 >> If a user goes to http://openoffice.org/ then Kenai very nicely = redirects them to http://www.openoffice.org/. >>=20 >> Website migration is decoupled from the following other issues: >> - Mailing List cutover. (ooo-site should avoid allowing users to = subscribe to the old lists.) >> - @openoffice.org forwarder cut-off. >> - openoffice.org ids and extensions and templates access. >>=20 >> There are a bunch of servlets around login and project mailing lists. = These will break. They will need to be removed, but I don't think that = should stop us from migration. >>=20 >> I do agree that we should make the old legacy visible on the new = site. I've asked for someone to look into /mail_list.html. Links to = http://openoffice.org/projects/ and = http://openoffice.org/projects/www/lists/. would be welcome additions. = CTR people! >>=20 >> Regards, >> Dave >>=20 >>=20 >>>> ________________________________ >>>> From: Dennis E. Hamilton >>>> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org; 'Joe Schaefer' = =20 >>>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 2:46 PM >>>> Subject: RE: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks! >>>>=20 >>>> It has to do with this page and all of the other pages like it for = the lists that each of the OpenOffice.org projects (and NL projects) = have:=20 >>>>=20 >>>> . >>>>=20 >>>> If you have an OpenOffice.org login, you will see Subscribe and (if = already subscribed) Unsubscribe buttons for each list on that page. = Also, the archives are accessible from those pages in a browser-friendly = form. This is how one can read the list using a browser and there is = even a way to post to the list via the web interface. >>>>=20 >>>> While some people aren't aware that there is this one-stop = arrangement and use the e-mail means of controlling their subscription, = others rely on this, including TJ for administrative functions. =20 >>>>=20 >>>> This aspect of the mailing-list service will go away with the = cut-over of the web site. There is no reminder or announcement about = that. >>>>=20 >>>> - Dennis >>>>=20 >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Joe Schaefer [mailto:joe_schaefer@yahoo.com]=20 >>>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 10:59 >>>> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org >>>> Subject: Re: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks! >>>>=20 >>>> Why does one have to do with the other? >>>> We are not cutting over the MX record for >>>> openoffice.org now are we? >>>>=20 >>>> [ ... ] >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>=20 >=20