Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AE3229478 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2011 16:56:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 19935 invoked by uid 500); 20 Dec 2011 16:56:14 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 19882 invoked by uid 500); 20 Dec 2011 16:56:14 -0000 Mailing-List: contact ooo-dev-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 19874 invoked by uid 99); 20 Dec 2011 16:56:14 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 20 Dec 2011 16:56:14 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: domain of goetz.wohlberg@googlemail.com designates 74.125.83.47 as permitted sender) Received: from [74.125.83.47] (HELO mail-ee0-f47.google.com) (74.125.83.47) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 20 Dec 2011 16:56:08 +0000 Received: by eeit10 with SMTP id t10so2770970eei.6 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2011 08:55:46 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :content-type; bh=4S2P2em3K9OH1mJnYkl9CxxsoXCcxEhDJe9w0TsPBsk=; b=cuBshVlOMOKNlBh1oRozzzn9XWBlmp0c/OPvd5tRgsB8i2W8Xp1djdROr84yigHLTU Wv7QiWYdA81GTefIAMMw5dW/EEg7YH6rcbf/c4zV+6dj6pxoIMOf3szqoV+H9UpW8Mvh Q81UsDB3djmX2OQN0bo6XJO0FGUkRf7EPBurc= Received: by 10.205.125.144 with SMTP id gs16mr1021087bkc.137.1324400146563; Tue, 20 Dec 2011 08:55:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from goetz-wohlbergs-macbook.local ([217.110.125.83]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id jf4sm5313199bkc.5.2011.12.20.08.55.44 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 20 Dec 2011 08:55:45 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4EF0BE10.5050102@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 17:55:44 +0100 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?G=F6tz_Wohlberg?=" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: About Team OpenOffice.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------050500060002040006060007" --------------050500060002040006060007 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, May I introduce myself? My name is Goetz Wohlberg and I spent the last 16+ years working on OpenOffice.org and it's commercial derivatives like StarOffice or Oracle Open Office. At the moment I'm helping Martin and Stefan from Team OpenOffice.org e.V. to setup a team with full-time developers to join the Apache OpenOffice podling. My focus is to create value for customers and to build a successful commercial business. I have not read all of the posting here and I'm not a native English speaker. So I might have missed some topics or discussions. But my impression is that there is a major disconnect between the ASF and Team OpenOffice.org. I guess it's time to be more direct and blunt about our situation. Please let me try to explain what our ideas are with Team OpenOffice.org, what we did, what we learned and what our next steps are. First off, we are not evil! We don't want to mislead consumers (although I admit we did)! We are not collecting donations for our own coffers! We don't have a business model that is just based on donations! What we plan to do can be summarized in the following three goals: 1. We want to help existing Oracle customers that they continue to use OpenOffice.org 2. We want to make money with support and service for OpenOffice.org and Apache OpenOffice 3. We want to be able to sponsor developers working full-time on OpenOffice.org and save as much developer know-how as possible from the primary contributor Sun/Oracle To 1: I'm in contact with a number of customers and I can assure you, that they are desperately looking for a sign of life and new releases for OpenOffice.org. Keep in mind that we released products every 3 month. Customers haven't seen an OOo release since nearly a year now. I understand that AOO 3.4 is in preparation and on the horizon, but how reliable is this? The ASF does not have a track record yet for AOO. Customers and consumers are also asking for support for their current version -- and this is OpenOffice.org 3.3.0 and earlier. That's the reason why we strongly believe, AOO 3.4 is important, but OOo 3.3.1 is also important. We think that a maintenance releases for OOo 3.3.0 can help to create trust in the project and help customers to wait for AOO 3.4. To 2: Important part of our business model is to sell support and service contracts to OpenOffice.org and -- in the future -- Apache OpenOffice customers. With the withdrawal of the main sponsor Oracle there are not many companies on this planet doing so. We believe that this is quite a cool unique selling point (USP). Unfortunately decision-making in the Enterprise about OOo support contracts normally takes around 6 to 9 month. We don't have that reach. So we need to close this gap until we see service revenue coming in. To 3: Here is a quote from a kind user who is trying to help us to make our case. I think this is a pretty good explanation of our situation: "Oracle used to pay our salaries to work on OpenOffice,org, but since Oracle turned OpenOffice.org over to the Apache Foundation, it no longer pays us. We were primary contributors to OpenOffice.org, we love it, and we want to be able to work on it full-time. Unless a large company or government hires us to do this (wink, wink, nudge, nudge), we are trying to support ourselves via donations -- until we are ready to sell service contracts. Donations to the Apache Foundation, while a nice thing to do, can not be used for this purpose, so you will need to donate to Team OpenOffice.org as a separate entity." And collecting donations is something -- as you know -- Team OpenOffice.org always did! Donations are very important for us in this phase to close the gap until we see service revenue coming in. And there are also very successful companies like the Wikimedia Foundation that are based on donations. Therefore I authorized the donation campaign "Save OpenOffice.org" - and I want to apologize for that! It was a mistake because I didn't realize that at the same time this implies that OpenOffice.org is not doing well at the ASF. Believe me or not, it was not my intend to bring discredit upon the Apache OpenOffice project. What are our next steps though? We are of course accepting the ASF ownership of the OpenOffice.org trademark. As we worked since 2003 smoothly together with Sun and Oracle, we were surprised to see that non-commercial Apache is seeing us as a troublemaker. Btw, Team OpenOffice.org is also non-commercial. We will not stop asking for donations to sponsor developers! Please take your time to understand what we are asking for. We are asking for money to help developing OOo! We are not asking to donate for the ASF or OOo! If our communication on this topic is not clear enough, we'll fix it! Do you see the difference? Again, we want full-time developers working on the project and contributing their work to the Apache OpenOffice podling -- something the ASF can't do! How bad is this? Without full-time developers our business model won't fly. We will not stop telling the world that we were the primary contributors and inventors of OpenOffice.org. The development team in Hamburg created it -- with the help of the OpenOffice.org community -- and is happy to continue developing it. I don't think that this is confusing users. It's the truth. The ASF should use this as a weapon not as a threat. We will also defend ourselves against malicious gossip or suspicion -- same like the ASF does. So please stop the own-coffers-thing. As service and support is part of our business model, we are listening to OpenOffice.org Enterprise users and customers. They asked us for a maintenance release for OpenOffice.org 3.3.0 due to the security issues -- and we will deliver! This release will carry a name that does not conflict with the OpenOffice.org trademark. Using another name is clearly not the best solution for all of us: users and customers, the ASF and Team OpenOffice.org. This should be motivation enough to work on a better solution. Just one more paragraph with my personal thoughts: We recognized our mistakes! Reason for the mistake was to get donations to hire full-time developers. We are also working hard on other ideas to get funding but we are not there yet! We want to be a committer to the Apache OpenOffice podling and we basically share the same goals. We inserted a very prominent link to the ASF on our website (see the box "Home of the Development Project" on teamopenoffice.org). I hope that this email does not have a negative impact on our chance to establish a cooperative relationship between Team OpenOffice.org and the Apache OpenOffice project. Does it? We are not evil! Thanks, Goetz --------------050500060002040006060007--