Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8DED571ED for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2011 08:05:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 84399 invoked by uid 500); 15 Dec 2011 08:05:45 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 84362 invoked by uid 500); 15 Dec 2011 08:05:44 -0000 Mailing-List: contact ooo-dev-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 84354 invoked by uid 99); 15 Dec 2011 08:05:43 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Thu, 15 Dec 2011 08:05:43 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: domain of jogischmidt@googlemail.com designates 209.85.215.175 as permitted sender) Received: from [209.85.215.175] (HELO mail-ey0-f175.google.com) (209.85.215.175) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Thu, 15 Dec 2011 08:05:34 +0000 Received: by eaal1 with SMTP id l1so1617579eaa.6 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2011 00:05:13 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=3IYGyP3RuW94pPqQa3m0BQhjIaoCFY82XYtaJhEeA3A=; b=Zc1le2EQZR/V/zHZKBM/sZAdiCSQ8DnrkmWFbscNNCW7pOWIZmw/Od13MgKGUt/gkt zIeVbn4Sg4GjU8S28fr/Rz2YWGxZXSDrTM5YjogO2PtBkevHi0R1lYITfOX1PkNTdEjz YhrF7LUQeYrCHGIV9hSOPhJLO32/J+CaIWuIU= Received: by 10.204.156.216 with SMTP id y24mr441106bkw.80.1323936312608; Thu, 15 Dec 2011 00:05:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from [9.155.131.21] (deibp9eh1--blueice3n2.emea.ibm.com. [195.212.29.180]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d2sm12266349bky.11.2011.12.15.00.05.11 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 15 Dec 2011 00:05:12 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4EE9AA37.8070704@googlemail.com> Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 09:05:11 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?J=FCrgen_Schmidt?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: Too many lists References: <4EE978AD.1050309@gmx.ch> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 12/15/11 7:36 AM, Ross Gardler wrote: > On 15 December 2011 04:33, Raphael Bircher wrote: >> Am 15.12.11 00:26, schrieb Ross Gardler: >> >>> I'm really concerned about the tendency of the AOO project to keep >>> proposing and seriously considering new lists (well that is probably >>> over stating it, but I am genuinely concerned). >>> >>> Each time you create a list you separate the community from itself. It >>> should not happen until there is a proven need for it. Splitting the >>> community in this way leads to questions like "which list should this >>> be on" and subsequently "which list should I search to find the answer >>> to this". >> >> If you have only one list you endup with the question. "Wich E-Mail should I >> read and wich not". I for my person read a mailing list with about 30 mails >> per dey. > > I agree, but my point is that we are not anywhere near 30 mails per > day on, for example, I10n. REMINDER REMINDER REMINDER exactly i think less people make use of the tags we introduce months ago. See http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/mailing-lists.html We also agreed that the list of used tags should grow over time and should be extended to new discussion topics/areas. Before we create a new list we should first use the approach of clear tags to focus on specific discussions. With this approach it's very easy to control which thread is worth reading or where you are interested in. How about [l10n] for localization specific discussions. And [??] for everything where people would like to have a separate list over time if the traffic will grow too much. Juergen > > The use of good subjects helps people decide what to read (especially > if tags are used as previously discussed). > > Yesterday I read "lets use the marketing list more" (or words to that > affect). Why was the list created if it was not going to be used? > > How did OOo get to hundreds of unused lists which we get accused of > not mailing about the move to AOO because people had fallen out of the > habit of reading them because nothing important ever happens there. > > Read my mail again, I didn't say *never* create new lists. > > Ross