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Subject: RE: A timeline for an Apache OO release
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 11:25:58 -0800
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The releases have to be rebranded anyhow, because they are currently Oracle 
branded.  I think having it be OpenOffice.org 3.4 and installed over 
OpenOffice.org 3.3 is a very risky idea.  The quick-release cycle may be great 
for our teething; users should not have to suffer any of the consequences.

OOo-dev 3.4 is not exactly "out there" as far as the public consciousness is 
concerned.  Has there ever been a non-developer bugzilla against it?  I've not 
seen any user-list statement of a problem by someone using OOo-dev, though I 
didn't start following those lists until Summer 2011.

Also, OOo-dev 3.4 was only available in English full installs, with langpacks 
for everybody else.  And, of course, there is a gigantic disclaimer against 
production use.  I would think a similar disclaimer will accompany the first 
podling release too.  And if it is not fully rebranded, I think it can at best 
be a "technology preview" release.

 - Dennis


-----Original Message-----
From: drew [mailto:drew@baseanswers.com]
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 09:15
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: A timeline for an Apache OO release

My thought.

Given that OpenOffice.org 3.4 Beta is already out there.

An announcement along the lines of:

The Apache OpenOffice (incubating) project set a tentative release time
for OpenOffice.org Version 3.4 for the 1st Qtr of 2012.

sounds about right to my ear.

The pressure of re-branding would be lowered, I would think, moving such
to the 3.5 (or ?) release.

With the provision, of course, replace or not "1st Qtr" with whatever
the developer corps feels appropriate.

Put another way perhaps, I'd weigh the gains from a trade off of
re-branding for quicker release cycle, at this moment.

Best wishes,

//drew

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