From ooo-dev-return-10407-apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive=incubator.apache.org@incubator.apache.org Mon Dec 12 23:52:20 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B542F9C95 for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2011 23:52:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 46328 invoked by uid 500); 12 Dec 2011 23:52:20 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 46282 invoked by uid 500); 12 Dec 2011 23:52:20 -0000 Mailing-List: contact ooo-dev-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 46274 invoked by uid 99); 12 Dec 2011 23:52:20 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Mon, 12 Dec 2011 23:52:20 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: domain of kay.schenk@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.47 as permitted sender) Received: from [209.85.214.47] (HELO mail-bw0-f47.google.com) (209.85.214.47) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Mon, 12 Dec 2011 23:52:14 +0000 Received: by bkbzt4 with SMTP id zt4so5968752bkb.6 for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2011 15:51:52 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=VyyUTu8pK80b20aKbHM5PdU1CuKOaerIeBxqhT1XhAQ=; b=JqSR+4azV9XGC4sek+sEA2EpJ1HJqZu3OVSDAyvx2tR6WzyPfYP1R88XYsqKkilXqZ 3bIFtDDabswPfNLpY7AIOITWPydakYOxSHSdpJm82ra5FdX2oLhVEMmeP1dJ2/yVvBmy a0n/DfL6EyQ1i7TyVJeagjzQRsQSjJBhfi8as= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.136.215 with SMTP id s23mr10810847bkt.31.1323733911374; Mon, 12 Dec 2011 15:51:51 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.205.133.14 with HTTP; Mon, 12 Dec 2011 15:51:51 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <840BE353-9D40-45D4-812C-0CCA2CE84619@comcast.net> References: <1322439624.71382.YahooMailClassic@web113503.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4EE4B81A.7030502@openoffice.org> <11CF9C89-5984-43FC-A344-ED0B30A19621@comcast.net> <51E8516B-9473-4987-91FE-7CB2F6204F31@comcast.net> <3964A6C7-CF99-4D30-B38A-9B41AC3043B3@comcast.net> <864D3EAD-5E14-4F20-A20F-3B66749969F2@comcast.net> <140612E5-AAC5-41C3-8188-F9F427A23509@comcast.net> <1323654349.73271.YahooMailNeo@web160904.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1323658764.97060.YahooMailNeo@web160903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <4518A8A2-6B8E-4B6B-9087-6664500CFADD@comcast.net> <840BE353-9D40-45D4-812C-0CCA2CE84619@comcast.net> Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 15:51:51 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Rationalizing two OpenOffice websites From: Kay Schenk To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015175cd3109089ce04b3edd124 --0015175cd3109089ce04b3edd124 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 OK, one last thought--will the redirect of www.openoffice.org to ooo-site.apache.org affect the svn.openoffice.org areas? I recently pulled the "accepted" projects while doing the massvie updates a week or so ago, but have NOT updated my copy of the "incubator" projects in some time. So...do we need to do this one last snapshot before proceeding? I would think svn.openoffice.org should NOT be affected, but I just wanted to check. >From my perspective, the sooner we can put ooo-site.apache.org into production, the better! Yes, it needs some tooling, but let's go for ti! On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 3:43 PM, Dave Fisher wrote: > > On Dec 12, 2011, at 3:11 PM, Kay Schenk wrote: > > > On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 9:45 PM, Dave Fisher > wrote: > > > >> > >> On Dec 11, 2011, at 9:36 PM, Dave Fisher wrote: > >> > >>> Hi Joe, > >>> > >>> Great. I've created a URL redirect list which I'll attach to INFRA-3933 > >> as we discussed. > >> > >> I also updated - > >> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/DNS,+Virtual+Hosts+and+Redirects > >> > > > > Dave-- > > > > GREAT WORK! Thanks for going to all this trouble--really! :) > > Your great work made this easy! > > WIth all of the subdomains in place in the svn it was all about making > directory names into domain names and grinding through. > > Regards, > Dave > > > > > > > > >> > >>> > >>> I made the list in the following format - the first three are special > >> and following is the pattern for the rest of the well over 100 > subdomains. > >>> > >>> FR Forum will be happy about the first. Rob should note both > >> contributing and security will begin to go to the podling site. > >>> > >>> qa.openoffice.org > >>> redirectMatch permanent /issues/(.*) https://issues.apache.org/ooo/$1 > >>> redirectMatch permanent (.*) www.openoffice.org/qa/$1 > >>> > >>> contributing.openoffice.org > >>> redirectMatch permanent (.*) > >> incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/get-involved.html > >>> > >>> security.openoffice.org > >>> redirectMatch permanent (.*) > >> incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/security/ > >>> > >>> aa.openoffice.org > >>> redirectMatch permanent (.*) www.openoffice.org/aa/$1 > >>> > >>> about.openoffice.org > >>> redirectMatch permanent (.*) www.openoffice.org/about/$1 > >>> > >>> af.openoffice.org > >>> redirectMatch permanent (.*) www.openoffice.org/af/$1 > >>> > >>> am.openoffice.org > >>> redirectMatch permanent (.*) www.openoffice.org/am/$1 > >>> > >>> .... > >>> > >>> Other redirects anyone? > >>> > >>> With this information you should have everything ready to do the > >> switchover when the word is given. > >>> > >>> It would make people happy to have the first qa.oo.o redirect and those > >> for contributing.oo.o and security.oo.o immediately. > >>> > >>> Regards, > >>> Dave > >>> > >>> > >>> On Dec 11, 2011, at 6:59 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote: > >>> > >>>> All set. Just did a full site build and it went thru no trouble. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>>> From: Joe Schaefer > >>>>> To: "ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org" > >>>>> Cc: > >>>>> Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2011 8:45 PM > >>>>> Subject: Re: Rationalizing two OpenOffice websites > >>>>> > >>>>> I'm working with Gav to get the timeout upped as that's what's > >>>>> causing the builds to fail (long delays when the built site gets > >>>>> checked back in). I will let you know once I have things ready > >>>>> for you to make mass changes to the ooo-site. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>>>> From: Dave Fisher > >>>>>> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org > >>>>>> Cc: > >>>>>> Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2011 8:32 PM > >>>>>> Subject: Re: Rationalizing two OpenOffice websites > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Dec 11, 2011, at 5:17 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> Why don't you just decide to make the current ooo-site live, > >>>>>>> and tell infra to change dns for www.openoffice.org to point > >>>>>>> at it? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> There is an outstanding question about exactly how the extensions > and > >>>>> templates > >>>>>> authenticate users. It is being investigated. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Also the subdomain map needs to be built. > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> I've made some performance enhancements to the CMS today so > >>>>>>> web checkouts will only take a few seconds as opposed to 30min. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> That's wonderful! > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> Also I will be working on your site's build because it is in a > >>>>>>> terrible state, but that will take more time. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Too much was committed at once. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> So, we don't collide let me know if you are working with templates > or > >>>>> lib, I > >>>>>> am (or was) about to play with that part. I am really effin, tired > of > >> being > >>>>> > >>>>>> yelled at at repeatedly by Rob. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> When I'm done with my plan nearly every html file in ooo-site will > be > >>>>>> updated, how do you want to co-ordinate that? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Regards, > >>>>>> Dave > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>>>>>> From: Rob Weir > >>>>>>>> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org > >>>>>>>> Cc: > >>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2011 7:55 PM > >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Rationalizing two OpenOffice websites > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 6:15 PM, Dave Fisher > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> On Dec 11, 2011, at 2:09 PM, Rob Weir wrote: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 4:04 PM, Dave Fisher > >>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> I've already answered. I've been very clear. > >>>>>> Nothing has > >>>>>>>> stopped others from working on ooo-site. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> I apologize if I was not clear. I'm not interested in > >>>>> > >>>>>> editing > >>>>>>>>>> ooo-site.apache.org. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> And I happen to think that this is absolute nonsense. ooo-site > >>>>> will > >>>>>> be > >>>>>>>> www.openoffice.org when the time comes. Waiting is a bogus > excuse. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> To the extent that you continue to not understand what I am saying > >>>>> I > >>>>>>>> will continue to repeat myself, attempting various ways of > >>>>>>>> reformulating my point. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I want to update www.openoffice.org. I do not want to update > only > >>>>>>>> your test server. I want the changes I make now to be reflected > >>>>> on > >>>>>>>> the public, user facing openoffice.org website after a simple > >>>>> staging > >>>>>>>> and publication stage, i.e., near real time, no more than a few > >>>>>>>> minutes delay. That is what the project needs. This is what we > >>>>> all > >>>>>>>> need. The fact that we can can easily update ooo-site, a staging > >>>>>>>> website that no user actually ever sees is a partial success only. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> What I hear you saying is that we're free to update the data > >>>>> in > >>>>>>>> /ooo-site and that will then appear on the test staging server. > >>>>> That > >>>>>>>> is nice. But the changes that you, me and others have made on > >>>>> that > >>>>>>>> content is not being seen by real users. It is stuck in limbo. > >>>>> We > >>>>>>>> can invite committers to stick more content into limbo, of course, > >>>>> to > >>>>>>>> queue it up for publication at some indeterminate point in the > >>>>> future. > >>>>>>>> But I'm more interested in what we need to do to get the > >>>>> content > >>>>>> out > >>>>>>>> of limbo and live on www.openoffice.org. How do we complete > this? > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> So this is not about ooo-site. This is about the complete > >>>>> publication > >>>>>>>> pipeline. That is what matters for the PPMC's ability to > >>>>> properly > >>>>>>>> manage the www.openoffice.org website. Nothing is live until the > >>>>> PPMC > >>>>>>>> can effectively update the real site. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Remember, what our users have on www.openoffice.org is very wrong > >>>>> in > >>>>>>>> many places. We're continuing every day to harm the project > >>>>> if > >>>>>> that > >>>>>>>> content remains as-is and is not replaced by accurate project > >>>>>>>> information. The fact that some of the content is corrected in > >>>>> SVN > >>>>>>>> or on ooo-site is not enough. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> If at all possible, I'd urge us to take a "release early, > >>>>> > >>>>>> release > >>>>>>>> often" approach to the website migration rather than a > >>>>> "big > >>>>>> bang > >>>>>>>> integration" approach. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> What is the minimum that really needs to be done to make this site > >>>>> go > >>>>>>>> live? And how can I, and anyone else who is interested in > >>>>>>>> accelerating this work, help? > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> -Rob > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > -- > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > MzK > > > > "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged > > by the way its animals are treated." > > -- Mohandas Gandhi > > -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MzK "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated." -- Mohandas Gandhi --0015175cd3109089ce04b3edd124--