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From Dave Fisher <dave2w...@comcast.net>
Subject Re: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks!
Date Fri, 23 Dec 2011 02:13:02 GMT
Hi Dennis,

One more try. I may have been somewhat dense earlier today.

On Dec 22, 2011, at 2:13 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:

> I'm not talking about what www.openoffice.org does now, but what it will do when it serves
up ooo-site.apach.org.  Isn't that the plan?

The plan is twofold.

(1) For ooo-site.apache.org to do what www.openoffice.org does now with exceptions - it doesn't
do servlets and logins related to individual openoffice.org accounts.

(2) For openoffice.org to continue to do what it does now.


> 
> I know that what www.openoffice.org does now.

What http://www.openoffice.org/projects/www/lists does now is return Kenai's version of a
404. ooo-site does the same. We don't need to redirect that url.

We should be redirecting /servlets/* in ooo-site, it is not a one-to-one map to openoffice.org/projects/<project>/lists.

The servlet urls look like this.

contact.html:24:    <a href="/nonav/servlets/HelpTOC">Get Help</a> section.</li>
mail_list.html:91:      <td class="alt6"><a href="/servlets/SearchList?listName=users">Search</a></td>
mail_list.html:102:      <td class="alt6"><a href="/servlets/SearchList?listName=announce">Search</a></td>
mail_list.html:119:      <td class="alt6"><a href="/servlets/SearchList?listName=discuss">Search</a></td>
mail_list.html:131:      <td class="alt6"><a href="/servlets/SearchList?listName=social">Search</a></td>
mail_list.html:155:      <td class="alt6"><a href="/servlets/SearchList?listName=dev">Search</a></td>
mail_list.html:165:      <td class="alt6"><a href="/servlets/SearchList?listName=allfeatures">Search</a></td>
mail_list.html:175:      <td class="alt6"><a href="/servlets/SearchList?listName=allcvs">Search</a></td>
mail_list.html:185:      <td class="alt6"><a href="/servlets/SearchList?listName=allbugs">Search</a></td>
mail_list.html:194:      <td class="alt6"><a href="/servlets/SearchList?listName=allhg">Search</a></td>
mail_list.html:195:      <td class="alt6"><a href="/servlets/SummarizeList?listName=allhg">Browse
archives</a></td>
mail_list.html:205:      <td class="alt6"><a href="/servlets/SearchList?listName=interface-announce">Search</a></td>
mail_list.html:216:      <td class="alt6"><a href="/servlets/SearchList?listName=interface-discuss">Search</a></td>
project_tools.html:3:    <div><a href="/servlets/ProjectHome">Project home</a></div>
project_tools.html:4:    <div><a href="/servlets/ProjectMemberList">Membership</a></div>
project_tools.html:7:    <div><a href="/servlets/ProjectNewsList">Announcements</a></div>
 
project_tools.html:8:    <div>   <a href="/servlets/ProjectMailingListList">Mailing
lists</a> </div>
project_tools.html:11:    <div><a href="/servlets/ProjectDocumentList">Documents
&amp; files</a></div>
project_tools.html:15:    <div><a href="/servlets/ProjectIssues">Issue tracker</a></div>
index.html:190:					<li class="doc_tip" id="join" onmouseover="showtip(this.id)" onmouseout="hidetip()"><a
href="http://api.openoffice.org/servlets/ProjectMembershipRequest">Join the project</a></li>
index.html:191:					<li class="doc_tip" id="mailinglists" onmouseover="showtip(this.id)"
onmouseout="hidetip()"><a href="http://api.openoffice.org/servlets/ProjectMailingListList">Mailing
Lists</a></li>
index.html:310:					<li  class="doc_tip" id="searchproj" onmouseover="showtip(this.id)"
onmouseout="hidetip()"><a href="http://api.openoffice.org/servlets/Search?resultsPerPage=40&amp;scope=project">Search
the project data</a></li>
listrules.html:82:http://api.openoffice.org/servlets/ProjectDownloadList
listrules.html:151:http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/Join
project_tools.html:3:  <div> <a href="/servlets/ProjectHome">Project home</a>
</div>
project_tools.html:4:  <div> <a href="/servlets/ProjectMemberList">Membership</a>
</div>
project_tools.html:7:  <div> <a href="/servlets/ProjectNewsList">Announcements</a>
</div>
project_tools.html:8:  <div> <a href="/servlets/ProjectMailingListList">Mailing
lists</a> </div>
project_tools.html:11:  <div> <a href="/servlets/ProjectDocumentList">Documents
&amp; files</a> </div>
project_tools.html:16:  <div> <a href="/servlets/ProjectIssues">Issue tracker</a>
</div>

If someone would explain how to map these to functions on openoffice.org/projects/ we can
make the changes to the ooo-site hrefs with redirects if needed.

Is this better?

Regards,
Dave


>  The only speculation I *had* to make is that ooo-site.apache.org is going to be served
up as www.openoffice.org, since it hasn't happened yet.
> 
> I know you are frustrated about this.  I am too.  A common set of tacit understandings
is missing.  And getting to an explicit understandings seems to be beyond our reach.  Sorry.
 
> 
> - Dennis
> 
> PS: Showing me curl responses for 404s and 302s doesn't help.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave Fisher [mailto:dave2wave@comcast.net] 
> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 13:28
> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks!
> 
> On Dec 22, 2011, at 1:09 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
> 
>> All I know is that 
>> 
>> http://openoffice.org/projects/FOO/lists/ have important content related to the lists
that are still operating.
> 
>> 
>> http://ooo-site.apache.org/projects/FOO/lists/ 404.
>> 
>> That's not a speculation.
> 
> Go to http://www.openoffice.org/projects/www/lists and tell me what you get.
> 
> wave@minotaur:~$ curl http://www.openoffice.org/projects/www/lists
> 
> 
> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd">
> <html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">
>  <head>
> 
> .... 
> 
> <div class="contentPadding">
>  <h2 class="pageTitle">Not Found</h2>
>  <!-- This file lives in public/404.html -->
>  <div style="padding: 10px 0 10px 0;">
>    The page you were looking for doesn't exist.<br/>
>    You may have mistyped the address or the page may have moved.
>  </div>
>  <a href="#" onclick="history.back(); return false;"><span class="bullet">&laquo;</span>&nbsp;back</a>
>  &nbsp;|&nbsp;
>  <a href="/">home&nbsp;<span class="bullet">&raquo;</span></a>
> </div>
> 
> ...
> </body>
> </html>
> 
> You will then see that ooo-site does not need any redirection for these urls. Users do
not have any expectation other than a 404.
> 
>> 
>> So if you are only redirecting http://openoffice.org/ (or its index page) to http://www.openoffice.org,
no deep linking into openoffice.org will redirect, is that right?
> 
> KENAI does this redirect, not us. We do NOT need to redirect anything in the http://openoffice.org/projects/
path. We are leaving that legacy behind.
> 
>> And only http://www.openoffice.org/ ... URLs will see ooo-site.apache.org/ ... paths,
is that that the idea?
> 
> They will have the same IP.
> 
>> 
>> OK, so that explains why there is no worry about recursion if ooo-site.apache.org/projects/FOO/lists/
redirects to openoffice.org/projects/FOO/lists/ as Joe suggests.  I prefer that part of it
also.
> 
> There is no worry because we just don't need it. I won't ask Joe to do it.
> 
>> 
>> I know how to do that on my own web sites, whether using .htaccess or meta elements
in page headers. For ooo-site, not so much.
> 
> For the future, meta elements should work just fine.
> 
> 
>> 
>> And I am now going off list for a time while I sort out other work.
> 
> Me too. A lot to TRY to convince you that there is no worry and no need.
> 
> Regards,
> Dave
> 
>> 
>> - Dennis 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Dave Fisher [mailto:dave2wave@comcast.net] 
>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 12:42
>> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks!
>> 
>> 
>> On Dec 22, 2011, at 12:32 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
>> 
>>> Now I'm even more confused.
>>> 
>>> Will http://openoffice.org/projects/www/lists/ still find the list pages or will
it redirect to http://www.openoffice.org/projects/www/lists/ and 404, since ooo-site.apache.org/projects/www/lists/
has nothing there?
>> 
>> No it won't redirect. It only redirects at the first level.
>> 
>> http://www.openoffice.org/projects/www/lists/ does not exist at Kenai it gives a
404. Nothing to worry about.
>> 
>> The pattern is http://openoffice.org/projects/FOO/lists/
>> 
>> Please try these urls in your browser before you speculate.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Dave
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> - Dennis
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Dave Fisher [mailto:dave2wave@comcast.net] 
>>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 12:19
>>> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
>>> Cc: dennis.hamilton@acm.org
>>> Subject: Re: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Dec 22, 2011, at 11:51 AM, Joe Schaefer wrote:
>>> 
>>>> But we're NOT cutting over "openoffice.org"
>>>> now so I don't see what the hemming and hawing
>>>> is about.  We're doing "www.openoffice.org",
>>>> aren't we?
>>> 
>>> Dennis missed our discussion of this trick.
>>> 
>>> If a user goes to http://openoffice.org/ then Kenai very nicely redirects them
to http://www.openoffice.org/.
>>> 
>>> Website migration is decoupled from the following other issues:
>>> - Mailing List cutover. (ooo-site should avoid allowing users to subscribe to
the old lists.)
>>> - @openoffice.org forwarder cut-off.
>>> - openoffice.org ids and extensions and templates access.
>>> 
>>> There are a bunch of servlets around login and project mailing lists. These will
break. They will need to be removed, but I don't think that should stop us from migration.
>>> 
>>> I do agree that we should make the old legacy visible on the new site. I've asked
for someone to look into /mail_list.html. Links to http://openoffice.org/projects/ and http://openoffice.org/projects/www/lists/.
would be welcome additions. CTR people!
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Dave
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>> From: Dennis E. Hamilton <himself@orcmid.com>
>>>>> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org; 'Joe Schaefer' <joe_schaefer@yahoo.com>

>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 2:46 PM
>>>>> Subject: RE: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks!
>>>>> 
>>>>> It has to do with this page and all of the other pages like it for the
lists that each of the OpenOffice.org projects (and NL projects) have: 
>>>>> 
>>>>> <http://openoffice.org/projects/www/lists>.
>>>>> 
>>>>> If you have an OpenOffice.org login, you will see Subscribe and (if already
subscribed) Unsubscribe buttons for each list on that page.  Also, the archives are accessible
from those pages in a browser-friendly form.  This is how one can read the list using a browser
and there is even a way to post to the list via the web interface.
>>>>> 
>>>>> While some people aren't aware that there is this one-stop arrangement
and use the e-mail means of controlling their subscription, others rely on this, including
TJ for administrative functions.  
>>>>> 
>>>>> This aspect of the mailing-list service will go away with the cut-over
of the web site.  There is no reminder or announcement about that.
>>>>> 
>>>>> - Dennis
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Joe Schaefer [mailto:joe_schaefer@yahoo.com] 
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 10:59
>>>>> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Why does one have to do with the other?
>>>>> We are not cutting over the MX record for
>>>>> openoffice.org now are we?
>>>>> 
>>>>> [ ... ]
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>> 
> 


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