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From Kay Schenk <>
Subject Re: Merry Christmas and some private thoughts
Date Fri, 23 Dec 2011 21:55:25 GMT
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 4:44 AM, Ross Gardler <>wrote:

> What a great post - thank you Jürgen
> Can I request that this goes on the AOO blog?

+1 for this move. Really a superb post,  Jürgen.

Enjoy your time off and Happy Holidays!

I recognise this is your
> own thoughts, but you can make that clear (as you did here). You
> correctly observe that the AOO project needs to do a better job of
> communicating the good - this post does just that so lets give it more
> visibility.
> Ross
> 2011/12/23 Jürgen Schmidt <>:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > before i will leave for a short Christmas break i would like to share
> some
> > thoughts with you about the last months, my private expectations, and my
> > wishes for the next year.
> >
> > Oracle's announcement to stop their investment in was a
> shock
> > for me. Well the reason is obvious, I was paid by Oracle and worked on
> this
> > project. The people who know me from the past know that i am a 100%
> > guy and I always appreciated to work on this project and
> with
> > our community. I always felt part of the overall community. I know the
> > reasons that were responsible for the LibreOffice fork and the split of
> the
> > community and i have to confess that i can understand it. But i didn't
> liked
> > how it was made. If Oracle would have done this step 6 month earlier I am
> > sure we wouldn't have this fork and this split of the community. We would
> > potentially still have the go-oo fork which was the foundation for
> > LibreOffice but that is something different. Anyway it is as it is at
> moment
> > and we will see how it moves forward in the future.
> >
> > The grant to Apache was at least the appropriate signal that
> > as a project will never die. The brand is to big and to important, the
> > opportunities around the product and the overall eco system are great
> and I
> > was very sure that the project will continue.
> >
> > But a lot of work was and still is in front of us. We had to deal with a
> lot
> > of things in parallel where other derivative projects didn't had to deal
> > with at least not in the public. We had to migrate the whole
> > infra structure to Apache and had to ensure that it work. I think we were
> > very successful here and have migrated nearly everything we need from a
> > technical perspective.
> > Our mission was to migrate as much as possible of the available stuff of
> > and at least save it for later use. I think we did
> it!
> > Thanks to all who made this possible. And we can concentrate in the
> future
> > on some structural and conceptual redesign of the main portal page
> > to provide the information to our users that they
> need to
> > find the product, to find more information like help, discussion forums,
> to
> > find the way in the community if they want to do more etc.
> >
> > We couldn't simply use the code as it was and could continue with the
> > development as in the past because of the different license. A huge
> > challenge that is still ongoing and where i had many problems with at the
> > beginning. It is not easy to explain why you remove something and
> replace it
> > with something new that provide the same functionality but is under a
> more
> > appropriate license. It's simply boring work and no developer really like
> > it. But is a prerequisite for Apache and in the end it is better for our
> eco
> > system because the Apache license is much friendlier for business usage
> as
> > any other open source license. As an individual developer I don't care
> too
> > much about all the different open source licenses, as along as the work
> i do
> > is good for the project and in the end for our users. But i learned that
> the
> > Apache license can be a door opener for more contributors and more
> > engagement of companies. And i think that is important and can only help
> our
> > project.
> >
> > And not everything is bad. With the IP cleanup we really cleaned up many
> > things and Armin's replacement for svg import/export is the best
> solution we
> > ever had for OpenOffice and with the biggest potential for further
> > improvements. All this is really motivating for the future!
> >
> > Well we had a lot of noise and communication problems on our mailing
> lists
> > and i think we missed to transport the message that has
> found
> > a new home under the Apache foundation and we have missed to communicate
> the
> > progress we have made in the pubic. We can do much better in the future!
> And
> > i am looking forward to work with all of you on this communication part
> in
> > the future. We don't have to be shy, we work on a great project with a
> great
> > product and we should have enough to communicate and to share in the
> public
> > (not only on our mailing list but on all the modern and very useful
> medias
> > like facebook, Google+, twitter, ...)
> >
> > For the next year I expect that we find a way to guide and control our
> > project a little bit better. I expect our first release early next year
> and
> > hopefully a second one later the year where we can show that we are able
> to
> > drive the project forward and that we are able to create and establish a
> > vibrant and living community.
> >
> > I wish that we can gain trust in the project and in the Apache way and
> that
> > it is a good move forward. Our users simply want the best free, open
> source
> > product and they don't care about the different licenses. Enterprise
> users
> > would like to see a huge and working community with the participation of
> a
> > lot of different companies or at least their employees working on the
> > project. We all know that such a huge and successful project can only
> work
> > if we have individual community members as well as fulltime community
> > members. Important is the WE and the TOGETHER that makes open source
> > projects successful.
> >
> > I heart voices and read emails where people said that Apache is not able
> to
> > manage such a huge end user oriented project with all the necessary
> things.
> > A strong statement, isn't it. At the beginning i have to confess that i
> also
> > had doubts and wasn't sure. But as i have mentioned in an earlier email
> that
> > i have seen and got the necessary signals over time that Apache is
> willing
> > to listen and is open for changes as well if they make sense for the
> overall
> > success of our project and if these changes are aligned with the overall
> > Apache principles. And i think that is fair enough for all.
> >
> > The move to Apache is a big challenge for all of us. Apache had many very
> > successful projects but none of the these project has such a hue end-user
> > focus like OpenOffice. And it is no small project, no it is one of
> biggest
> > and most successful open source projects ever. And the migration was and
> is
> > not easy. But we the community can do it, we as individuals, everybody
> can
> > help and we together will do it!
> >
> > And the Apache way and the Apache license have proven in the past and
> with
> > many successful projects that it is a good way and a good license to
> achieve
> > this.
> >
> > Enough from me for now and i will take a break over the Christmas days to
> > relax a little bit with family and friends. I will read emails from time
> to
> > time but not too much ;-)
> >
> > I wish you all merry Christmas, enjoy the days, take your own break too,
> > load your batteries for our next challenge in 2012.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Juergen
> >
> >
> --
> Ross Gardler (@rgardler)
> Programme Leader (Open Development)
> OpenDirective


"The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged
 by the way its animals are treated."
                              -- Mohandas Gandhi

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