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From Albino Biasutti Neto <>
Subject Re: Merry Christmas and some private thoughts
Date Fri, 23 Dec 2011 13:04:46 GMT

2011/12/23 Donald Harbison <>

> +1 (!) Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to all.
> 2011/12/23 J├╝rgen Schmidt <>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > before i will leave for a short Christmas break i would like to share
> some
> > thoughts with you about the last months, my private expectations, and my
> > wishes for the next year.
> >
> > Oracle's announcement to stop their investment in was a
> > shock for me. Well the reason is obvious, I was paid by Oracle and worked
> > on this project. The people who know me from the past know that i am a
> 100%
> > guy and I always appreciated to work on this project and
> > with our community. I always felt part of the overall community. I know
> the
> > reasons that were responsible for the LibreOffice fork and the split of
> the
> > community and i have to confess that i can understand it. But i didn't
> > liked how it was made. If Oracle would have done this step 6 month
> earlier
> > I am sure we wouldn't have this fork and this split of the community. We
> > would potentially still have the go-oo fork which was the foundation for
> > LibreOffice but that is something different. Anyway it is as it is at
> > moment and we will see how it moves forward in the future.
> >
> > The grant to Apache was at least the appropriate signal that
> > as a project will never die. The brand is to big and to
> > important, the opportunities around the product and the overall eco
> system
> > are great and I was very sure that the project will continue.
> >
> > But a lot of work was and still is in front of us. We had to deal with a
> > lot of things in parallel where other derivative projects didn't had to
> > deal with at least not in the public. We had to migrate the whole
> > infra structure to Apache and had to ensure that it work.
> I
> > think we were very successful here and have migrated nearly everything we
> > need from a technical perspective.
> > Our mission was to migrate as much as possible of the available stuff of
> > and at least save it for later use. I think we did
> it!
> > Thanks to all who made this possible. And we can concentrate in the
> future
> > on some structural and conceptual redesign of the main portal page
> > to provide the information to our users that they
> need
> > to find the product, to find more information like help, discussion
> forums,
> > to find the way in the community if they want to do more etc.
> >
> > We couldn't simply use the code as it was and could continue with the
> > development as in the past because of the different license. A huge
> > challenge that is still ongoing and where i had many problems with at the
> > beginning. It is not easy to explain why you remove something and replace
> > it with something new that provide the same functionality but is under a
> > more appropriate license. It's simply boring work and no developer really
> > like it. But is a prerequisite for Apache and in the end it is better for
> > our eco system because the Apache license is much friendlier for business
> > usage as any other open source license. As an individual developer I
> don't
> > care too much about all the different open source licenses, as along as
> the
> > work i do is good for the project and in the end for our users. But i
> > learned that the Apache license can be a door opener for more
> contributors
> > and more engagement of companies. And i think that is important and can
> > only help our project.
> >
> > And not everything is bad. With the IP cleanup we really cleaned up many
> > things and Armin's replacement for svg import/export is the best solution
> > we ever had for OpenOffice and with the biggest potential for further
> > improvements. All this is really motivating for the future!
> >
> > Well we had a lot of noise and communication problems on our mailing
> lists
> > and i think we missed to transport the message that has
> > found a new home under the Apache foundation and we have missed to
> > communicate the progress we have made in the pubic. We can do much better
> > in the future! And i am looking forward to work with all of you on this
> > communication part in the future. We don't have to be shy, we work on a
> > great project with a great product and we should have enough to
> communicate
> > and to share in the public (not only on our mailing list but on all the
> > modern and very useful medias like facebook, Google+, twitter, ...)
> >
> > For the next year I expect that we find a way to guide and control our
> > project a little bit better. I expect our first release early next year
> and
> > hopefully a second one later the year where we can show that we are able
> to
> > drive the project forward and that we are able to create and establish a
> > vibrant and living community.
> >
> > I wish that we can gain trust in the project and in the Apache way and
> > that it is a good move forward. Our users simply want the best free, open
> > source product and they don't care about the different licenses.
> Enterprise
> > users would like to see a huge and working community with the
> participation
> > of a lot of different companies or at least their employees working on
> the
> > project. We all know that such a huge and successful project can only
> work
> > if we have individual community members as well as fulltime community
> > members. Important is the WE and the TOGETHER that makes open source
> > projects successful.
> >
> > I heart voices and read emails where people said that Apache is not able
> > to manage such a huge end user oriented project with all the necessary
> > things. A strong statement, isn't it. At the beginning i have to confess
> > that i also had doubts and wasn't sure. But as i have mentioned in an
> > earlier email that i have seen and got the necessary signals over time
> that
> > Apache is willing to listen and is open for changes as well if they make
> > sense for the overall success of our project and if these changes are
> > aligned with the overall Apache principles. And i think that is fair
> enough
> > for all.
> >
> > The move to Apache is a big challenge for all of us. Apache had many very
> > successful projects but none of the these project has such a hue end-user
> > focus like OpenOffice. And it is no small project, no it is one of
> biggest
> > and most successful open source projects ever. And the migration was and
> is
> > not easy. But we the community can do it, we as individuals, everybody
> can
> > help and we together will do it!
> >
> > And the Apache way and the Apache license have proven in the past and
> with
> > many successful projects that it is a good way and a good license to
> > achieve this.
> >
> > Enough from me for now and i will take a break over the Christmas days to
> > relax a little bit with family and friends. I will read emails from time
> to
> > time but not too much ;-)
> >
> > I wish you all merry Christmas, enjoy the days, take your own break too,
> > load your batteries for our next challenge in 2012.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Juergen
> >
> >
> >

Good post!

Merry Christmas for all.


Albino Biasutti Neto
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