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From Dave Fisher <dave2w...@comcast.net>
Subject Re: Rationalizing two OpenOffice websites
Date Tue, 13 Dec 2011 00:12:40 GMT

On Dec 12, 2011, at 3:51 PM, Kay Schenk wrote:

> OK, one last thought--will the redirect of www.openoffice.org to
> ooo-site.apache.org affect the svn.openoffice.org areas?
> 
> I recently pulled the "accepted" projects while doing the massvie updates a
> week or so ago,  but have NOT updated my copy of  the "incubator" projects
> in some time. So...do we need to do this one last snapshot before
> proceeding? I would think svn.openoffice.org should NOT be affected, but I
> just wanted to check.

As long as *.openoffice.org catch all rules is left and the 137 specific domains are added
then all the catch-alls will still go to Kenai.

> 
> From my perspective, the sooner we can put ooo-site.apache.org into
> production, the better! Yes, it needs some tooling, but let's go for ti!

Sure.

> 
> On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 3:43 PM, Dave Fisher <dave2wave@comcast.net> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> On Dec 12, 2011, at 3:11 PM, Kay Schenk wrote:
>> 
>>> On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 9:45 PM, Dave Fisher <dave2wave@comcast.net>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Dec 11, 2011, at 9:36 PM, Dave Fisher wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Joe,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Great. I've created a URL redirect list which I'll attach to INFRA-3933
>>>> as we discussed.
>>>> 
>>>> I also updated -
>>>> 
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/DNS,+Virtual+Hosts+and+Redirects
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> Dave--
>>> 
>>> GREAT WORK! Thanks for going to all this trouble--really! :)
>> 
>> Your great work made this easy!
>> 
>> WIth all of the subdomains in place in the svn it was all about making
>> directory names into domain names and grinding through.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Dave
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I made the list in the following format - the first three are special
>>>> and following is the pattern for the rest of the well over 100
>> subdomains.
>>>>> 
>>>>> FR Forum will be happy about the first. Rob should note both
>>>> contributing and security will begin to go to the podling site.
>>>>> 
>>>>> qa.openoffice.org
>>>>> redirectMatch permanent /issues/(.*)  https://issues.apache.org/ooo/$1
>>>>> redirectMatch permanent (.*) www.openoffice.org/qa/$1
>>>>> 
>>>>> contributing.openoffice.org
>>>>> redirectMatch permanent (.*)
>>>> incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/get-involved.html
>>>>> 
>>>>> security.openoffice.org
>>>>> redirectMatch permanent (.*)
>>>> incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/security/
>>>>> 
>>>>> aa.openoffice.org
>>>>> redirectMatch permanent (.*) www.openoffice.org/aa/$1
>>>>> 
>>>>> about.openoffice.org
>>>>> redirectMatch permanent (.*) www.openoffice.org/about/$1
>>>>> 
>>>>> af.openoffice.org
>>>>> redirectMatch permanent (.*) www.openoffice.org/af/$1
>>>>> 
>>>>> am.openoffice.org
>>>>> redirectMatch permanent (.*) www.openoffice.org/am/$1
>>>>> 
>>>>> ....
>>>>> 
>>>>> Other redirects anyone?
>>>>> 
>>>>> With this information you should have everything ready to do the
>>>> switchover when the word is given.
>>>>> 
>>>>> It would make people happy to have the first qa.oo.o redirect and those
>>>> for contributing.oo.o and security.oo.o immediately.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Dave
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Dec 11, 2011, at 6:59 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> All set. Just did a full site build and it went thru no trouble.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: Joe Schaefer <joe_schaefer@yahoo.com>
>>>>>>> To: "ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org" <ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org>
>>>>>>> Cc:
>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2011 8:45 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Rationalizing two OpenOffice websites
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I'm working with Gav to get the timeout upped as that's what's
>>>>>>> causing the builds to fail (long delays when the built site gets
>>>>>>> checked back in).  I will let you know once I have things ready
>>>>>>> for you to make mass changes to the ooo-site.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: Dave Fisher <dave2wave@comcast.net>
>>>>>>>> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
>>>>>>>> Cc:
>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2011 8:32 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Rationalizing two OpenOffice websites
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Dec 11, 2011, at 5:17 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Why don't you just decide to make the current ooo-site
live,
>>>>>>>>> and tell infra to change dns for www.openoffice.org to
point
>>>>>>>>> at it?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> There is an outstanding question about exactly how the extensions
>> and
>>>>>>> templates
>>>>>>>> authenticate users. It is being investigated.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Also the subdomain map needs to be built.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I've made some performance enhancements to the CMS today
so
>>>>>>>>> web checkouts will only take a few seconds as opposed
to 30min.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> That's wonderful!
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Also I will be working on your site's build because it
is in a
>>>>>>>>> terrible state, but that will take more time.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Too much was committed at once.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> So, we don't collide let me know if you are working with
templates
>> or
>>>>>>> lib, I
>>>>>>>> am (or was) about to play with that part. I am really effin,
tired
>> of
>>>> being
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> yelled at at repeatedly by Rob.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> When I'm done with my plan nearly every html file in ooo-site
will
>> be
>>>>>>>> updated, how do you want to co-ordinate that?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>> From: Rob Weir <robweir@apache.org>
>>>>>>>>>> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
>>>>>>>>>> Cc:
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2011 7:55 PM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Rationalizing two OpenOffice websites
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 6:15 PM, Dave Fisher
>>>>>>>> <dave2wave@comcast.net>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 11, 2011, at 2:09 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 4:04 PM, Dave Fisher
>>>>>>>>>> <dave2wave@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've already answered. I've been very
clear.
>>>>>>>> Nothing has
>>>>>>>>>> stopped others from working on ooo-site.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> I apologize if I was not clear.  I'm not
interested in
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> editing
>>>>>>>>>>>> ooo-site.apache.org.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> And I happen to think that this is absolute nonsense.
ooo-site
>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>> www.openoffice.org when the time comes. Waiting is
a bogus
>> excuse.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> To the extent that you continue to not understand
what I am saying
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>> will continue to repeat myself, attempting various
ways of
>>>>>>>>>> reformulating my point.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I want to update www.openoffice.org.  I do not want
to update
>> only
>>>>>>>>>> your test server.  I want the changes I make now
to be reflected
>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>> the public, user facing openoffice.org website after
a simple
>>>>>>> staging
>>>>>>>>>> and publication stage, i.e., near real time, no more
than a few
>>>>>>>>>> minutes delay.  That is what the project needs. 
This is what we
>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>>> need. The fact that we can can easily update ooo-site,
a staging
>>>>>>>>>> website that no user actually ever sees is a partial
success only.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> What I hear you saying is that we're free to update
the data
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>> /ooo-site and that will then appear on the test staging
server.
>>>>>>> That
>>>>>>>>>> is nice.  But the changes that you, me and others
have made on
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>> content is not being seen by real users.  It is stuck
in limbo.
>>>>>>> We
>>>>>>>>>> can invite committers to stick more content into
limbo, of course,
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> queue it up for publication at some indeterminate
point in the
>>>>>>> future.
>>>>>>>>>> But I'm more interested in what we need to do to
get the
>>>>>>> content
>>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>>>>> of limbo and live on www.openoffice.org.  How do
we complete
>> this?
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> So this is not about ooo-site.  This is about the
complete
>>>>>>> publication
>>>>>>>>>> pipeline.  That is  what matters for the PPMC's ability
to
>>>>>>> properly
>>>>>>>>>> manage the www.openoffice.org website.  Nothing is
live until the
>>>>>>> PPMC
>>>>>>>>>> can effectively update the real site.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Remember, what our users have on www.openoffice.org
is very wrong
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>> many places.  We're continuing every day to harm
the project
>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>> content remains as-is and is not replaced by accurate
project
>>>>>>>>>> information.   The fact that some of the content
is corrected in
>>>>>>> SVN
>>>>>>>>>> or on ooo-site is not enough.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> If at all possible, I'd urge us to take a "release
early,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> release
>>>>>>>>>> often" approach to the website migration rather than
a
>>>>>>> "big
>>>>>>>> bang
>>>>>>>>>> integration" approach.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> What is the minimum that really needs to be done
to make this site
>>>>>>> go
>>>>>>>>>> live?   And how can I, and anyone else who is interested
in
>>>>>>>>>> accelerating this work, help?
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> -Rob
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> 
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> MzK
>>> 
>>> "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged
>>> by the way its animals are treated."
>>>                             -- Mohandas Gandhi
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> MzK
> 
> "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged
> by the way its animals are treated."
>                              -- Mohandas Gandhi


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