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From Dave Fisher <dave2w...@comcast.net>
Subject Re: [PROPOSAL] Setup of ooo-users-it and ooo-project-it mailing lists
Date Wed, 14 Dec 2011 05:16:42 GMT
Sorry about that. My bad. At least I wasn't rewriting policy on a false assumption.

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 14, 2011, at 12:03 AM, Joe Schaefer <joe_schaefer@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Not true at this point.  The spamassasssin rules blocking Japanese-
> encoded subjects were removed about a month or so ago.
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Dave Fisher <dave2wave@comcast.net>
>> To: "ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org" <ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org>
>> Cc: 
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 12:01 AM
>> Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Setup of ooo-users-it and ooo-project-it mailing lists
>> 
>> T here is a problem with Japanese, apache MLs and spamassassin. I hope that 
>> won't be an issue with Italian.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Dave
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Dec 13, 2011, at 8:48 PM, Rob Weir <robweir@apache.org> wrote:
>> 
>>> On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 8:13 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton
>>> <dennis.hamilton@acm.org> wrote:
>>>> I say do the pair.  I see no reason not to trust your experience and 
>> judgment.  That goes the same for any other NL group active enough to want an NL

>> list on the podling and having active PPMC members to support them.
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> We created a Japanese list a while ago, based on a similar degree of
>>> enthusiasm.  It has not received a single post yet.
>>> 
>>> http://pulse.apache.org/#ooo-general-ja_at_incubator.apache.org
>>> 
>>> This too is part of our experience and should influence our judgment.
>>> I'd be happier creating new language lists if we knew why that other
>>> list did not work out, and had a plan for ensuring that future
>>> attempts were successful.
>>> 
>>> Maybe things are simpler with a user list?  I see that the legacy
>>> "utenti" list still gets a lot of traffic and has a lot of
>>> subscribers.  The dev list, not so much.
>>> 
>>> One way to factor this might be to permit language-specific user
>>> lists, just as we do for forums.  But we encourage a single ooo-dev
>>> list for everyone, in order to avoid fragmenting the discussions and
>>> the community. Make we could make better use of subject tags to
>>> distinguish localization threads?
>>> 
>>> Then, if at some point we have so much localization-related traffic,
>>> then we might create a cross-language ooo-i10n list.  We could create
>>> that based on demonstrated need.  That could work well, since in the
>>> initial release or two we're going to have many common questions about
>>> Pootle configuration, general Apache process, etc.
>>> 
>>> If then at some point specific languages generate such a heavy amount
>>> of traffic that it is impossible to work on ooo-i10n, then and only
>>> then should we consider language-specific localization lists..
>>> 
>>> I'd also note that if we bring in a bunch of new project contributors,
>>> who have not been involved at Apache before, it will be critical that
>>> they start off on the ooo-dev list, to see how we work, how we make
>>> decisions, etc.   It would be disastrous to have part of the project
>>> being actively mentored and working together while other

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