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From Joe Schaefer <joe_schae...@yahoo.com>
Subject Re: Rationalizing two OpenOffice websites
Date Mon, 12 Dec 2011 01:45:49 GMT
I'm working with Gav to get the timeout upped as that's what's
causing the builds to fail (long delays when the built site gets
checked back in).  I will let you know once I have things ready
for you to make mass changes to the ooo-site.



----- Original Message -----
> From: Dave Fisher <dave2wave@comcast.net>
> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Cc: 
> Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2011 8:32 PM
> Subject: Re: Rationalizing two OpenOffice websites
> 
> 
> On Dec 11, 2011, at 5:17 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote:
> 
>>  Why don't you just decide to make the current ooo-site live,
>>  and tell infra to change dns for www.openoffice.org to point
>>  at it?
> 
> There is an outstanding question about exactly how the extensions and templates 
> authenticate users. It is being investigated.
> 
> Also the subdomain map needs to be built.
> 
>>  I've made some performance enhancements to the CMS today so
>>  web checkouts will only take a few seconds as opposed to 30min.
> 
> That's wonderful!
> 
>>  Also I will be working on your site's build because it is in a
>>  terrible state, but that will take more time.
> 
> Too much was committed at once.
> 
> So, we don't collide let me know if you are working with templates or lib, I 
> am (or was) about to play with that part. I am really effin, tired of being 
> yelled at at repeatedly by Rob.
> 
> When I'm done with my plan nearly every html file in ooo-site will be 
> updated, how do you want to co-ordinate that?
> 
> Regards,
> Dave
> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  ----- Original Message -----
>>>  From: Rob Weir <robweir@apache.org>
>>>  To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
>>>  Cc: 
>>>  Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2011 7:55 PM
>>>  Subject: Re: Rationalizing two OpenOffice websites
>>> 
>>>  On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 6:15 PM, Dave Fisher 
> <dave2wave@comcast.net> 
>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>  On Dec 11, 2011, at 2:09 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>>  On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 4:04 PM, Dave Fisher 
>>>  <dave2wave@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>  <snip>
>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  I've already answered. I've been very clear. 
> Nothing has 
>>>  stopped others from working on ooo-site.
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>  I apologize if I was not clear.  I'm not interested in 
> editing
>>>>>  ooo-site.apache.org.
>>>> 
>>>>  And I happen to think that this is absolute nonsense. ooo-site will 
> be 
>>>  www.openoffice.org when the time comes. Waiting is a bogus excuse.
>>>> 
>>> 
>>>  To the extent that you continue to not understand what I am saying I
>>>  will continue to repeat myself, attempting various ways of
>>>  reformulating my point.
>>> 
>>>  I want to update www.openoffice.org.  I do not want to update only
>>>  your test server.  I want the changes I make now to be reflected on
>>>  the public, user facing openoffice.org website after a simple staging
>>>  and publication stage, i.e., near real time, no more than a few
>>>  minutes delay.  That is what the project needs.  This is what we all
>>>  need. The fact that we can can easily update ooo-site, a staging
>>>  website that no user actually ever sees is a partial success only.
>>> 
>>>  What I hear you saying is that we're free to update the data in
>>>  /ooo-site and that will then appear on the test staging server.  That
>>>  is nice.  But the changes that you, me and others have made on that
>>>  content is not being seen by real users.  It is stuck in limbo.  We
>>>  can invite committers to stick more content into limbo, of course, to
>>>  queue it up for publication at some indeterminate point in the future.
>>>    But I'm more interested in what we need to do to get the content 
> out
>>>  of limbo and live on www.openoffice.org.  How do we complete this?
>>> 
>>>  So this is not about ooo-site.  This is about the complete publication
>>>  pipeline.  That is  what matters for the PPMC's ability to properly
>>>  manage the www.openoffice.org website.  Nothing is live until the PPMC
>>>  can effectively update the real site.
>>> 
>>>  Remember, what our users have on www.openoffice.org is very wrong in
>>>  many places.  We're continuing every day to harm the project if 
> that
>>>  content remains as-is and is not replaced by accurate project
>>>  information.   The fact that some of the content is corrected in SVN
>>>  or on ooo-site is not enough.
>>> 
>>>  If at all possible, I'd urge us to take a "release early, 
> release
>>>  often" approach to the website migration rather than a "big 
> bang
>>>  integration" approach.
>>> 
>>>  What is the minimum that really needs to be done to make this site go
>>>  live?   And how can I, and anyone else who is interested in
>>>  accelerating this work, help?
>>> 
>>>  -Rob
>>> 
> 

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