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From "Dennis E. Hamilton" <>
Subject RE: [FONTS] Inclusion in ODF (was RE: old colored vs new monochrome icons)
Date Wed, 14 Dec 2011 18:08:48 GMT
Regarding (2), I meant sample documents that have the embedding in them.  They will have to
be hand-crafted because no ODF-supporting product produces them so far.

There is an SVN at OASIS for collecting samples, but only OIC TC members are committers [;<).

The Plugfest site has room for uploads and contributions, and a Wiki.  Wait a little bit for
this topic to trickle over there.

For this to work, there needs to be a document that uses the font, the font itself, and the
PDF, as Gianluca suggests.  Then the document that embeds the font can also be created.  The
fonts must be free to use and distribute for these.  The documents need to be simple enough
so that there is no issue with their widespread use and it is easy to "patch in" the embedding.

This was discussed on the OIC TC call today and there is definite interest in this topic.
 The DRM issues will crop up, but for the initial test cases, fonts with non-permissive licenses
are not going to be used.  It is possible this will be discussed on the ODF TC call on Monday,
2011-12-19 1430Z, as well.

There needs to be a roadmap somewhere.  I see further issues such as MIME type, connection
with metrics, and so on also mentioned in i#20370.   The idea is to start with the least that
can possibly work and unravel a shared understanding among ODF-supporting products, including
what happens when embedded fonts are not supported or not used for any other reason.

 - Dennis

-----Original Message-----
From: Gianluca Turconi [] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 02:18
Subject: Re: [FONTS] Inclusion in ODF (was RE: old colored vs new monochrome icons)

Il giorno Tue, 13 Dec 2011 10:47:02 -0800
"Dennis E. Hamilton" <> ha scritto:

>  2. Some (more) proof-of-concept sample documents that demonstrate
> such embedding need to be collected as test vehicles.  [Any solution
> applies to all ODF formats - text, spreadsheet, presentation, ... -
> that have a font section and definable styles in the format.]
>  3. It needs to be determined what happens with ODF consumers when
> such unexpected documents are encountered.

I've a fantasy novel where I used a runic font for the introduction of
different chapters. When I sent it to my literary agent in ODF format,
she called me back asking "Why have you put random letters at the
beginning of each chapter?" :'(

Unfortunately, I cannot share this document, but I can surely ask in
the Italian Community for more sample documents, just tell me if you
think is needed.

It would be useful to have a PDF with font included or an image of the
expected document alongside what the users really see when they exchange
documents without font inclusion.

IMO, there should be a online place where people can put these sample

There is a OOo bug about this topic too:


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