Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9DEBA9564 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 16:01:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 19686 invoked by uid 500); 10 Nov 2011 16:01:01 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 19622 invoked by uid 500); 10 Nov 2011 16:01:01 -0000 Mailing-List: contact ooo-dev-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 19614 invoked by uid 99); 10 Nov 2011 16:01:01 -0000 Received: from nike.apache.org (HELO nike.apache.org) (192.87.106.230) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 16:01:01 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.4 required=5.0 tests=FREEMAIL_FROM,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED,RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO,SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (nike.apache.org: domain of gcaiod-ooo-dev@m.gmane.org designates 80.91.229.12 as permitted sender) Received: from [80.91.229.12] (HELO lo.gmane.org) (80.91.229.12) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 16:00:52 +0000 Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ROX3G-0007JN-Mk for ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 17:00:30 +0100 Received: from 194.3.163.14 ([194.3.163.14]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 17:00:30 +0100 Received: from alex.thurgood by 194.3.163.14 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 17:00:30 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org From: Alexander Thurgood Subject: Re: Report Builder extension (was Re: [proposal] development for the first AOO release) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 17:00:18 +0100 Lines: 51 Message-ID: References: <1320938186.32013.YahooMailClassic@web113508.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.3.163.14 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20110929 Thunderbird/7.0.1 In-Reply-To: <1320938186.32013.YahooMailClassic@web113508.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org Le 10/11/11 16:16, Pedro Giffuni a �crit : Hi Pedro, Ariel, Oh I understand perfectly well why it is being done in this way, I make my living out of intellectual property so I would be the first one to say "IP clearance takes precedence" in line with the rules that Apache has. I also understand that it could still continue to be built separately, for those who have the time, energy and will to correct the inevitable bitrot build errors that will creep in over time because code has changed elsewhere, but no one thought to bother about adapting those code changes to keep this module buildable. In other words, it will become harder to build and maintain over time because it has been dropped. Nonetheless, even if one looks on the optimistic side, there still remain a few questions : (1) who in all honesty will do it ? - if any of the Linux distribs are interested, they will package it with their own build of AOOo (assuming that some of them switch from LibreOffice to AOOo or just continue to provide both) - what about distrib independent versions - obviously, there will be none from within AOOo itself, since it can not, so quo vadis ? - what about Mac ? - what about Windows ? I think that realistically, resources are spread too thinly on the ground for this to happen at present. (2) what kind of message does this convey to Joe Public ? - AOOo (aka OOo) is destined only for those who know how to build and code ? Somehow, I don't think that you'll hit your target audience with such an approach - a binary version that misses bits of what has become essential functionality for many will not sway people to switch from OOo to AOOo - in fact, it might well even make them switch to competing products. Perhaps someone will find a way of furthering the development of the original report designer instead, because that at least does form part of the SGA (it was already in the initial release of the OOo code all those years ago). I hope so, I really do. Alex