Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7A2E47F65 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2011 16:02:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 32772 invoked by uid 500); 17 Nov 2011 16:02:33 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 32642 invoked by uid 500); 17 Nov 2011 16:02:33 -0000 Mailing-List: contact ooo-dev-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 32634 invoked by uid 99); 17 Nov 2011 16:02:33 -0000 Received: from minotaur.apache.org (HELO minotaur.apache.org) (140.211.11.9) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Thu, 17 Nov 2011 16:02:33 +0000 Received: from localhost (HELO mail-vx0-f175.google.com) (127.0.0.1) (smtp-auth username robweir, mechanism plain) by minotaur.apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Thu, 17 Nov 2011 16:02:32 +0000 Received: by vcbfl11 with SMTP id fl11so1950075vcb.6 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2011 08:02:31 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.72.227 with SMTP id g3mr57646888vdv.10.1321545751911; Thu, 17 Nov 2011 08:02:31 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.218.139 with HTTP; Thu, 17 Nov 2011 08:02:31 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <20111117070733.GA3373@lp-shahaf.local> <4EC4DCA6.4070508@openoffice.org> <4EC50F8C.9010101@shanecurcuru.org> Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 11:02:31 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [VOTE][RESULT] Trademark and Brand From: Rob Weir To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 10:48 AM, Wolf Halton wrote: > One might note 35 ppmc voted and I believe that is more than 1/2 of the > PPMC > Some quick thoughts, not in particular to Wolf's comments, but something I think we need to remember: We had a vote because a vote was the only way to move things forward. I'd much prefer that we always try to decide things by discussion and by achieving consensus. In fact we tried that, on many previous threads. But it was clear that there were strong opinions on both sides of the naming debate, so a vote was the only way to move this forward. The close results in the vote supports that view that reaching consensus was not likely to happen. But I recommend that we think of this as an anomaly, not something we want to repeat often. Voting is not the usual way of decision making in Apache projects. Except for mandatory voting for new committers, PMC members, etc., and to approve releases, it is quite rare. We should try to avoid using voting as a the "easy way out", as a substitute for discussion, collaboration and consensus building. But in the end, voting is is a tool that exists if honest attempts at consensus building have reached an impasse. Consider: when you have a close vote like this, you have many people who are not happy with the results. If we reach consensus on something, then we're all happy, or at last no one is very upset. So it is always better to take the extra effort to reach consensus. The project is healthier when we're happy with the decision making process. -Rob > http://sourcefreedom.com >