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Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 19:18:13 -0400
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Subject: Re: [ISSUE] Shut-down of all name@ openoffice.org e-mail addresses
From: Rob Weir <robweir@apache.org>
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On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 5:14 PM, Rob Weir <robweir@apache.org> wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 3:45 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton <orcmid@apache.org> wr=
ote:
>> Rob speaketh,
>>
>> =C2=A0 ... let's admit that almost all of the 500,000 openoffice.org
>> =C2=A0 addresses are unused or were created by spammers and have zero
>> =C2=A0 relevancy to the project.
>>
>> So, what is "almost all" of 500,000, and how can it be determined? =C2=
=A0How many
>> are left?
>>
>
> If you run a report on the BZ instance you see only 8700 or so unique
> ID's have ever been used for submitting defects. =C2=A0So 83% of the
> 500,000 ID's are irrelevant from the perspective of BZ. =C2=A0Maybe the
> remaining 420,000 users are furiously editing the wiki, but somehow I
> doubt that as well.
>

It was reported off list that my calculation was in error.  I lost a
digit some place.  8746 accounts have submitted issues in Bugzilla.
So given the claimed 500,000 openoffice.org email addresses that have
been assigned, that means that 99.99% of them are not involved in
reporting defects in BZ.  I know that the figure 99.99% sounds like
hyperbole, but do the math yourself.

> We could narrow that down further by those who are reporters on issues
> that are still open and get a more manageable number that could be
> send a notification that the openoffice.org mail forwarder is going
> away, with instructions on how to reset their email.
>
> In any case, let's stop with the hysteria of the 500,000 accounts.
> That has no basis in reality. =C2=A0Not even LibreOffice is claiming that
> many project participants.
>
>> It would be more interesting to know how many forwards are happening via
>> @openoffice.org over recent times, yes?
>>
>
> The number of forwards is irrelevant from the perspective of the
> project. =C2=A0ASF is not in the business of forwarding emails. =C2=A0Wha=
t is
> relevant is our ability to communicate with people who have submitted
> defect reports. =C2=A0 I think there are far easier ways of accomplishing
> this, provided we act diligently and start notifying users that the
> forwarding accounts are going away. =C2=A0Remember, the openoffice.org
> email address aliases are public. =C2=A0Anyone can create a report of suc=
h
> user accounts in BZ and send them a note. =C2=A0So no data protection
> issues are involved in notifying them that the service is going away.
>
> -Rob
>
>> Do you have that information? =C2=A0Can it be obtained?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rob Weir [mailto:robweir@apache.org]
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2011 12:13
>> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: [ISSUE] Shut-down of all name@ openoffice.org e-mail addres=
ses
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 2:34 PM, Pedro Giffuni <pfg@apache.org> wrote:
>>> --- On Tue, 11/1/11, Dave Fisher <dave2wave@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Questions for the BZ, Forums and MWiki. Is there a way for
>>>> people registered in those systems with an @OOo email to
>>>> change their address without losing their content?
>>>>
>>>
>>> I won't miss what I never had, but ...
>>>
>>> For BZ it's easy to change the email address. Just go to
>>> Preferences --> Account information.
>>>
>>
>> So is there any way to solve a more constrained problem? =C2=A0In other
>> words, let's admit that almost all of the 500,000 openoffice.org
>> addresses are unused or were created by spammers and have zero
>> relevancy to the project.
>>
>> Instead, we could look at all new BZ issues created in the last year,
>> all forum and wiki members who have logged in in the last year, and
>> all ooo-* list members. =C2=A0From those lists, get the list of all thos=
e
>> with openoffice.org addresses. =C2=A0Send them a note saying that the
>> forwarding service is going away. =C2=A0Tell them how to reset their ema=
il
>> address in the tools. =C2=A0On top of that put a prominent notice on the
>> wiki, forums and website to catch any users we might have missed.
>>
>> -Rob
>>
>>
>>> cheers,
>>>
>>> Pedro.
>>>
>>
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