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Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 07:10:13 -0500
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Subject: Re: Time for the ASF to send an Open Letter?
From: Donald Harbison <dpharbison@gmail.com>
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On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 3:17 AM, Dave Fisher <dave2wave@comcast.net> wrote:

> Martin,
>
> On Nov 16, 2011, at 11:51 PM, Dave Fisher wrote:
>
> >
> > On Nov 16, 2011, at 12:39 PM, Shane Curcuru wrote:
> >
> >> On 2011-11-16 3:26 PM, Pedro Giffuni wrote:
> >>> Hi Martin;
> >>>
> >>> --- On Wed, 11/16/11, Martin Hollmichel wrote:
> >>> ...
> >>>> On 11/16/11 6:33 PM, Ross Gardler wrote:
> >>>>> On 16 November 2011 16:56, Martin Hollmichel
> >>>>> <martin.hollmichel@googlemail.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>> ...
> >>>>>
> >>>>> What kind of a "release" are you talking about. OOo
> >>>>> releases can only be made from the Apache Software
> >>>>> Foundation. Perhaps you are planning a downstream
> >>>>> release that conforms to our trademark policy.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Please let us know your plans.
> >>>> we're offering to provide an interim release of
> >>>> OpenOffice.org 3.3.1 with a joint messaging of ASF and Team
> >>>> OpenOffice.org. This would fill the gap between the 3.3.0
> >>>> release from beginning of this year (with some known severe
> >>>> issues) and the first AOO release in the future. I'm
> >>>> convinced that this proceeding will help strengthen the
> >>>> trust in OpenOffice.org / AOO.
> >>
> >> Based on the very little bit of information provided here on the Apach=
e
> lists, I can't see how your plans would possibly be approved by the ASF.
> >>
> >> Obviously, having more information about your plans, and being able to
> see your work in the form of patches or commits to the AOO podling's
> Subversion tree would be a great start to be able to do this kind of work=
.
> >>
> >> So my first suggestion is to start doing some of the actual coding wor=
k
> here, on the ooo-dev@ list.  Then, work with the podling to show the PPMC
> that this is a good idea, and deserves to proceed together with the
> excellent progress the PPMC is making on the 3.4 release.
> >>
> >> Then, if the PPMC has a clear consensus to work with such an interim
> release plan, we can discuss any trademark, legal, or press/messaging
> questions you might have.
> >
> > What is difficult for me to understand is that both Stefan Taxhet and
> Martin Hollmichel signed up as Initial Committers to the Apache project,
> but have never signed an iCLA. There are many more than four people
> involved.
> >
> > The Team OpenOffice website must immediately acknowledge that
> OpenOffice.org is a registered trademark of the Apache Software Foundatio=
n.
> >
> > The Team OpenOffice site must recognize the Apache project.
> >
> > I don't think a joint statement is appropriate without properly
> respectful actions beforehand.
>
> The following text on the teamopenoffice.org site is still in place!
>
> > Your donation counts: Save OpenOffice.org!
> > The world needs a free, open source office software =96 but the genuine
> article is under threat. We don=92t want to let this happen!
>
> Ridiculous! openoffice.org is the Apache project - the genuine article is
> not under threat.
>
> It has been a month since:
>
>
> http://www.itworld.com/it-managementstrategy/213997/apache-disavows-team-=
openofficeorg-ev
>
> I really feel that the individuals on the project want to welcome Team OO=
o
> to the project, I know I do.
>

Absolutely agree. These guys are very welcome to align with this project.

>
> It is my feeling that Team OOo should make a proposal to the AOOo PPMC
> about how they wish to use the OpenOffice.org brand.
>
> +1 We will continue to ask for this, but in the meantime, the web site
language you cite above must come down. There is no 'threat' to
OpenOffice.org.


> Regards,
> Dave
>
> >
> > Regards,
> > Dave
> >
> >
> >>
> >> - Shane
> >>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> As much as we would like to do an interim release I am
> >>> afraid there are issues that won't make it possible:
> >>>
> >>> - Apache releases have to be approved by the PPMC and
> >>> can only be released under an Apache License.
> >>> - The old OpenOffice.Org made available 3.4 RC, releasing
> >>> 3.3.1 would not give the right signal wrt continuity.
> >>> - The ASF, through the PPMC, cannot approve code that it
> >>> hasn't seen and AFAICT Team OOo hasn't been very visible
> >>> here in the community (sorry if I just missed it).
> >>>
> >>> This said, 3.4 is advancing very nicely. I don't want to
> >>> hurry things but I think we are moving in the right
> >>> direction.
> >>>
> >>> Pedro.
> >>>
> >>>
> >
>
>

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