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Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 07:33:33 -0500
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Subject: Re: Time for the ASF to send an Open Letter?
From: Donald Harbison <dpharbison@gmail.com>
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On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 7:24 AM, Kazunari Hirano <khirano@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 9:10 PM, Donald Harbison <dpharbison@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 3:17 AM, Dave Fisher <dave2wave@comcast.net>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Martin,
> >>
> >> On Nov 16, 2011, at 11:51 PM, Dave Fisher wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> > On Nov 16, 2011, at 12:39 PM, Shane Curcuru wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On 2011-11-16 3:26 PM, Pedro Giffuni wrote:
> >> >>> Hi Martin;
> >> >>>
> >> >>> --- On Wed, 11/16/11, Martin Hollmichel wrote:
> >> >>> ...
> >> >>>> On 11/16/11 6:33 PM, Ross Gardler wrote:
> >> >>>>> On 16 November 2011 16:56, Martin Hollmichel
> >> >>>>> <martin.hollmichel@googlemail.com>
> >> >>>> wrote:
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>> ...
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> What kind of a "release" are you talking about. OOo
> >> >>>>> releases can only be made from the Apache Software
> >> >>>>> Foundation. Perhaps you are planning a downstream
> >> >>>>> release that conforms to our trademark policy.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Please let us know your plans.
> >> >>>> we're offering to provide an interim release of
> >> >>>> OpenOffice.org 3.3.1 with a joint messaging of ASF and Team
> >> >>>> OpenOffice.org. This would fill the gap between the 3.3.0
> >> >>>> release from beginning of this year (with some known severe
> >> >>>> issues) and the first AOO release in the future. I'm
> >> >>>> convinced that this proceeding will help strengthen the
> >> >>>> trust in OpenOffice.org / AOO.
> >> >>
> >> >> Based on the very little bit of information provided here on the
> Apache
> >> lists, I can't see how your plans would possibly be approved by the AS=
F.
> >> >>
> >> >> Obviously, having more information about your plans, and being able
> to
> >> see your work in the form of patches or commits to the AOO podling's
> >> Subversion tree would be a great start to be able to do this kind of
> work.
> >> >>
> >> >> So my first suggestion is to start doing some of the actual coding
> work
> >> here, on the ooo-dev@ list.  Then, work with the podling to show the
> PPMC
> >> that this is a good idea, and deserves to proceed together with the
> >> excellent progress the PPMC is making on the 3.4 release.
> >> >>
> >> >> Then, if the PPMC has a clear consensus to work with such an interi=
m
> >> release plan, we can discuss any trademark, legal, or press/messaging
> >> questions you might have.
> >> >
> >> > What is difficult for me to understand is that both Stefan Taxhet an=
d
> >> Martin Hollmichel signed up as Initial Committers to the Apache projec=
t,
> >> but have never signed an iCLA. There are many more than four people
> >> involved.
> >> >
> >> > The Team OpenOffice website must immediately acknowledge that
> >> OpenOffice.org is a registered trademark of the Apache Software
> Foundation.
> >> >
> >> > The Team OpenOffice site must recognize the Apache project.
> >> >
> >> > I don't think a joint statement is appropriate without properly
> >> respectful actions beforehand.
> >>
> >> The following text on the teamopenoffice.org site is still in place!
> >>
> >> > Your donation counts: Save OpenOffice.org!
> >> > The world needs a free, open source office software =96 but the genu=
ine
> >> article is under threat. We don=92t want to let this happen!
> >>
> >> Ridiculous! openoffice.org is the Apache project - the genuine article
> is
> >> not under threat.
> >>
> >> It has been a month since:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> http://www.itworld.com/it-managementstrategy/213997/apache-disavows-team-=
openofficeorg-ev
> >>
> >> I really feel that the individuals on the project want to welcome Team
> OOo
> >> to the project, I know I do.
> >>
> >
> > Absolutely agree. These guys are very welcome to align with this projec=
t.
> >
> >>
> >> It is my feeling that Team OOo should make a proposal to the AOOo PPMC
> >> about how they wish to use the OpenOffice.org brand.
> >>
> >> +1 We will continue to ask for this, but in the meantime, the web site
> > language you cite above must come down. There is no 'threat' to
> > OpenOffice.org.
>
> If we (Apache) use OpenOffice as product name and Apache OpenOffice as
> project name, then we can give Team OOo the OpenOffice.org brand and
> trademark?
>
>
Apache officers have requested a proposal from the Team OpenOffice people.
AFAIK, no proposal has been received. In the meantime, the language on
their website is damaging to the OpenOffice.org trademark and brand.

It's unlikely the PPMC will permit use of the OpenOffice.org trademark
until such time as their web site is corrected, and a proposal is received
for consideration.


> Thanks,
> khirano
>

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