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From: =?UTF-8?Q?Louis_Su=C3=A1rez=2DPotts?= <lsuarezpotts@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 11:45:46 -0500
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Subject: Re: Hunspell dictionaries are not just words lists (+ other matters)
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Rob, probably I am a cabbage, but kings do make odd laws and so my
query was not about logic and your opinion but about what we have
actually encountered in the doing of this. OOo has been engaged in
this activity for 10 yeas, and Andr=C3=A9 for much of that time has been
deeply involved. So my question is: what have we learned in this
matter?

Louis

On 7 November 2011 11:43, Rob Weir <robweir@apache.org> wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 11:28 AM, Louis Su=C3=A1rez-Potts <louis@apache.or=
g> wrote:
>> Andr=C3=A9,
>> Do we have an account of the difficulties encountered by the
>> localizers of OOo language packs and related data? As to Rob's point,
>> I think a relevant issue is that in translations such as those
>> required by localizations, the word chosen to translate the original
>> is an interpretation, and its quality (value) depends on the skill of
>> the localizer.
>>
>
> And creating a catalog of birds observed in a park also requires
> skill. =C2=A0But that does not make it a creative work.
>
> Compare the following catalogs:
>
> A phone book:
>
> Abel, George W, 212-332-3294
> Abel, Thomas S. 212-433-2322
>
> etc.
>
> A catalog of weather observations:
>
> 1970-12-01, Boston, 42.3, 18.2, 5, NE
> 1970-12-02, Miami, 74.2, =C2=A052.6, 10, SW
>
> A list of biographical information:
>
> Napoleon Bonaparte, French, 1769-1821
> Frederick the Great, German, 1712-1786
>
> A tagged list of words in a language:
>
> agricola, agricolae (m) (noun)
> amo, amare, amavi, amatus sum (verb)
>
> These are all just lists of facts. You might try to claim a copyright
> on the particular selection and arrangement of these facts, but the
> underlying facts cannot be protected. =C2=A0So, for example, some could
> extract (reverse engineer) the underlying facts from the work, and
> arrange them differently or with a different selection, and it would
> be perfectly fine. =C2=A0Copyright does not protect the underlying facts,
> no matter how hard it was for someone to collect the facts to to type
> them in.
>
> -Rob
>
>
>> Or so I understand.
>>
>> Louis
>>
>> On 7 November 2011 11:20, Rob Weir <robweir@apache.org> wrote:
>>> On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 11:14 AM, Olivier R. <olivier.noreply@gmail.com>=
 wrote:
>>>> Le 07/11/2011 16:53, Rob Weir a =C3=A9crit :
>>>>
>>>>> Why would Apache care about that?
>>>>
>>>> Maybe just because you are an Apache member and you make a strong stat=
ement
>>>> on an Apache list about FLOSS you are willing to bundle in your softwa=
re.
>>>> I=E2=80=99d prefer an official statement about this point, if you don=
=E2=80=99t mind.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I think it would be obvious to a cabbage that no one is going to
>>> recognize copyright claims on things that cannot be validly claimed
>>> under copyright law. =C2=A0It is also clear that the determination of t=
his
>>> for any specific artifact, like a specific spell checking dictionary
>>> would require detailed analysis. =C2=A0Since Apache does not hand out f=
ree
>>> legal advice, I don't think you will get an official response to your
>>> hypothetical question.
>>>
>>> -Rob
>>>
>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Olivier
>>>>
>>>
>>
>