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Hi Joe,

Now I am confused you mention 3 different possible mail managers for MX =
for openoffice.org.

(1) qmail - does Oracle/Sun use this in addition to SYMPA?
(2) ezmlm - a version of this is the ASF's MTA, correct?
(3) postfix - is this an alternative you mention because it could =
support a large forwarding database? and you don't want that "feature" =
in ezmlm?

If every email to openoffice.org is either forwarded according to a =
database or bounced.  If there are no or the minimum required by =
internet protocols mboxes on the openoffice.org MX.

What is the threshold for being incorporated into the ASF's normal =
ezmlm? If all of the forwarders were to apache.org addresses would that =
work?

I guess I don't understand the complexities of Apache's MTA.

Regards,
Dave

On Nov 1, 2011, at 5:05 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote:

> ________________________________
>> From: Dave Fisher <dave2wave@comcast.net>
>> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
>> Cc: "orcmid@apache.org" <orcmid@apache.org>; 'Lawrence Rosen' =
<lrosen@rosenlaw.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2011 7:47 PM
>> Subject: Re: [ISSUE] Shut-down of all name@ openoffice.org e-mail =
addresses
>>=20
>> Hi Joe,
>>=20
>> On Nov 1, 2011, at 3:43 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote:
>>=20
>>> Actually you should know I'm the main
>>> guy who deals with the mail services
>>> at the ASF, so yeah considering my opinion
>>> as relevant might be wise ;-)
>>=20
>> openoffice.org MX at ASF questions
>>=20
>> (1) In hosting OOo MX will there be a need for any real mail boxes?
>>=20
>> (2) Any trouble with double forwarders for securityteam@OO.o?
>>=20
>> (3) There are currently about 330 MLs that the project would like to =
forward. Kay and Rob are emailing these lists and informing about the =
new lists.
>>=20
>> It would be good to have these ML forwarders exist as long as the ASF =
is handling OpenOffice.org MLs.
>=20
>=20
> Personally I have no interest in maintaining whatever mailing list =
software
> Sun/Oracle chose for managing their lists.  OTOH my experience with =
qmail
> suggests that such software doesn't have a lot of maintenance =
requirements,
> so if a reasonable plan were developed for migrating the lists to some =
ASF
> host that was careful not to preserve list subscriptions, I'd be =
willing to
> help with the transition.
>=20
> But over time, because this service isn't a part of our main =
ezmlm-based
> mailing-list infra, we'd probably not want to be involved in its =
upkeep,
> and that means we'd be more than happy to shut it down if time proves
> that nobody else here wants to be bothered with that either.
>=20
>=20
> The PMC will need to sort out how to allocate its resources given that
> constraint.  Infra is happy to assist, and willing to investigate ways
> of incorporating openoffice.org lists into our ezmlm-based infra, but
> that effort will be terminally hampered by the presence of all those
> ooo forwarding addresses that I won't ever expose to qmail.  Sorry.
>=20
>=20
>=20
>>=20
>> (4) There are less than 100 PPMC/Committers. Some of them have their =
lives revolving around their OOo forwarder.
>>=20
>> Should we allow these trusted people to have their OOo email be =
forwarded. I would say to their apache id, but I bet many people in the =
project have their apache id pointing at openoffice.org. (There might be =
Apache committers unrelated to AOOo with their apache id forwarding to =
OOo.)
>>=20
>> What do you think?
>=20
>=20
> Value judgements aren't things I'm equipped to make for the PMC.  I'm
> more than happy to evalate the technical feasibility or lack thereof
> for providing an indefinite period of support for select forwarding
> addresses based on how the ML situation is to be dealt with.
>=20
>=20
>>=20
>> Does the size of groups (3) and (4) bother you if these are continued =
for a long time?
>>=20
>> (5) There are identifiable and relatively large numbers of =
individuals with OOo in other systems where we think it would be good to =
continue for some time measured in months. Rob has numbers in the 40,000 =
or 80,000 range.
>>=20
>> This would be phased out or terminated.
>>=20
>> Does the initial size of (5) bother you?
>=20
>=20
> No. It just means a flat file storage system won't work.  We'll need =
to use a proper
> (non-relational) database, and fortunately postfix supports several of =
them.