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On Nov 7, 2011, at 6:57 PM, Rob Weir wrote:

> On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 9:00 PM, Pedro Giffuni <pfg@apache.org> wrote:
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>> --- On Mon, 11/7/11, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote:
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>>> Hi *,
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>>>> On the long run I think the Apache-Way means we give
>>>> prevalence to freedom over features so we either move
>>>> back to MySpell
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>>> it has already been said that MySpell is a step backward
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>> It is, but can't we have both MySpell and HunSpell? It is
>> good to have alternatives.
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>>>> or we do something completely new based
>>>> on Apache openNLP.
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>>> "we" means here "software developers in the know of this
>>> topic", and
>>> I don't read much names of those in this thread. I mean,
>>> someone with
>>> the knowledge has to sit and write code. So why starting
>>> something new
>>> from scratch when we already have something that works, and
>>> fits
>>> "The Apache Way"?
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>> It's just an idea but IBM uses something like this:
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>>    http://incubator.apache.org/opennlp/
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>> This is only an idea for the future, as I said for 3.4
>> we go HunSpell and I can see that for a while we will
>> be busy on other things.
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> The future is even easier than that.  Microsoft appears to be moving
> the spell checker into the OS.  For example, Windows 8 will have spell
> checking built in, and any application can call into an API to access
> it.  And I think any native GUI control will get spell checking for
> free.
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> I think this trend makes a lot of sense, so different applications on
> the same system share the same dictionary, spell checking logic and
> custom user words.
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>>> Look at the folders:
>>> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/incubator/ooo/trunk/main/hunspell/
>>> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/incubator/ooo/trunk/main/mythes/
>>> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/incubator/ooo/trunk/main/hyphen/
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>>> there are only patches and makefiles, no copyleft source.
>>> AOOo can keep Hunspell based linguistic components, there
>>> is no need to remove anything, it is already IP-clean.
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>> I know, I know.. but why download tarballs when you can use:
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>> --with-system-hunspell
>> --with-system-mythes
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>> (Which is also used by LibreOffice AFAICT)
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>>> The situation is almost the same as before.
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>> The only issue is the Italian dictionary, which is GPL-only
>> and we can't include at all.
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>> Now let's be realistic: we don't develop dictionaries here
>> in AOOo (that I know of) and due to license issues our
>> repositories and source distributions can't carry them
>> anyway. Why not build all of them in apache-Extras or
>> wherever and link them there for users?
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>> As you say, things don't change too much at all.
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> Why not host at in the extensions repository?  It has a better
> end-user interface than Apache Extras has.  But Apache Extras is more
> stable.  I think we still have trouble waiting to happen, that we rely
> so much on an extensions website that is often down.

The templates and extensions are at OSUOSL. They are Drupal systems =
which are overtaxed and Oracle never finished upgrades. OSUOSL sysadmin =
is friendly and the ASF has much infrastructure there.

Experienced Drupal developers?

Regards,
Dave

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> -Rob
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>> Pedro.
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