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Tue, 01 Nov 2011 17:05:11 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.114.317681 References: <016101cc98b7$bacd0fe0$30672fa0$@apache.org> <049501cc98be$68f003b0$3ad00b10$@com> <048801cc98d9$09788400$1c698c00$@apache.org> <1320182383.70207.YahooMailNeo@web161421.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <115BB08D-C3E6-47AD-9D7A-20F32EDD2CC9@comcast.net> <1320187416.82531.YahooMailNeo@web161405.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1320192311.57766.YahooMailNeo@web161401.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 17:05:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Joe Schaefer Reply-To: Joe Schaefer Subject: Re: [ISSUE] Shut-down of all name@ openoffice.org e-mail addresses To: "ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org" Cc: "orcmid@apache.org" , 'Lawrence Rosen' In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org ________________________________=0A>From: Dave Fisher =0A>To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org=0A>Cc: "orcmid@apache.org" ; 'Lawrence Rosen' =0A>Sent: Tuesday, Novemb= er 1, 2011 7:47 PM=0A>Subject: Re: [ISSUE] Shut-down of all name@ openoffic= e.org e-mail addresses=0A>=0A>Hi Joe,=0A>=0A>On Nov 1, 2011, at 3:43 PM, Jo= e Schaefer wrote:=0A>=0A>> Actually you should know I'm the main=0A>> guy w= ho deals with the mail services=0A>> at the ASF, so yeah considering my opi= nion=0A>> as relevant might be wise ;-)=0A>=0A>openoffice.org MX at ASF que= stions=0A>=0A>(1) In hosting OOo MX will there be a need for any real mail = boxes?=0A>=0A>(2) Any trouble with double forwarders for securityteam@OO.o?= =0A>=0A>(3) There are currently about 330 MLs that the project would like t= o forward. Kay and Rob are emailing these lists and informing about the new= lists.=0A>=0A>It would be good to have these ML forwarders exist as long a= s the ASF is handling OpenOffice.org MLs.=0A=0A=0APersonally I have no inte= rest in maintaining whatever mailing list software=0ASun/Oracle chose for m= anaging their lists.=A0 OTOH my experience with qmail=0Asuggests that such = software doesn't have a lot of maintenance requirements,=0Aso if a reasonab= le plan were developed for migrating the lists to some ASF=0Ahost that was = careful not to preserve list subscriptions, I'd be willing to=0Ahelp with t= he transition.=0A=0ABut over time, because this service isn't a part of our= main ezmlm-based=0Amailing-list infra, we'd probably not want to be involv= ed in its upkeep,=0Aand that means we'd be more than happy to shut it down = if time proves=0Athat nobody else here wants to be bothered with that eithe= r.=0A=0A=0AThe PMC will need to sort out how to allocate its resources give= n that=0Aconstraint.=A0 Infra is happy to assist, and willing to investigat= e ways=0Aof incorporating openoffice.org lists into our ezmlm-based infra, = but=0Athat effort will be terminally hampered by the presence of all those= =0Aooo forwarding addresses that I won't ever expose to qmail.=A0 Sorry.=0A= =0A=0A=0A>=0A>(4) There are less than 100 PPMC/Committers. Some of them hav= e their lives revolving around their OOo forwarder.=0A>=0A>Should we allow = these trusted people to have their OOo email be forwarded. I would say to t= heir apache id, but I bet many people in the project have their apache id p= ointing at openoffice.org. (There might be Apache committers unrelated to A= OOo with their apache id forwarding to OOo.)=0A>=0A>What do you think?=0A= =0A=0AValue judgements aren't things I'm equipped to make for the PMC.=A0 I= 'm=0Amore than happy to evalate the technical feasibility or lack thereof= =0Afor providing an indefinite period of support for select forwarding=0Aad= dresses based on how the ML situation is to be dealt with.=0A=0A=0A>=0A>Doe= s the size of groups (3) and (4) bother you if these are continued for a lo= ng time?=0A>=0A>(5) There are identifiable and relatively large numbers of = individuals with OOo in other systems where we think it would be good to co= ntinue for some time measured in months. Rob has numbers in the 40,000 or 8= 0,000 range.=0A>=0A>This would be phased out or terminated.=0A>=0A>Does the= initial size of (5) bother you?=0A=0A=0ANo. It just means a flat file stor= age system won't work.=A0 We'll need to use a proper=0A(non-relational) dat= abase, and fortunately postfix supports several of them.