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From Rob Weir <robw...@apache.org>
Subject Re: Time for the ASF to send an Open Letter?
Date Thu, 17 Nov 2011 13:23:49 GMT
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 7:24 AM, Kazunari Hirano <khirano@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 9:10 PM, Donald Harbison <dpharbison@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 3:17 AM, Dave Fisher <dave2wave@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Martin,
>>>
>>> On Nov 16, 2011, at 11:51 PM, Dave Fisher wrote:
>>>
>>> >
>>> > On Nov 16, 2011, at 12:39 PM, Shane Curcuru wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> On 2011-11-16 3:26 PM, Pedro Giffuni wrote:
>>> >>> Hi Martin;
>>> >>>
>>> >>> --- On Wed, 11/16/11, Martin Hollmichel wrote:
>>> >>> ...
>>> >>>> On 11/16/11 6:33 PM, Ross Gardler wrote:
>>> >>>>> On 16 November 2011 16:56, Martin Hollmichel
>>> >>>>> <martin.hollmichel@googlemail.com>
>>> >>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>> ...
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> What kind of a "release" are you talking about. OOo
>>> >>>>> releases can only be made from the Apache Software
>>> >>>>> Foundation. Perhaps you are planning a downstream
>>> >>>>> release that conforms to our trademark policy.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Please let us know your plans.
>>> >>>> we're offering to provide an interim release of
>>> >>>> OpenOffice.org 3.3.1 with a joint messaging of ASF and Team
>>> >>>> OpenOffice.org. This would fill the gap between the 3.3.0
>>> >>>> release from beginning of this year (with some known severe
>>> >>>> issues) and the first AOO release in the future. I'm
>>> >>>> convinced that this proceeding will help strengthen the
>>> >>>> trust in OpenOffice.org / AOO.
>>> >>
>>> >> Based on the very little bit of information provided here on the Apache
>>> lists, I can't see how your plans would possibly be approved by the ASF.
>>> >>
>>> >> Obviously, having more information about your plans, and being able
to
>>> see your work in the form of patches or commits to the AOO podling's
>>> Subversion tree would be a great start to be able to do this kind of work.
>>> >>
>>> >> So my first suggestion is to start doing some of the actual coding work
>>> here, on the ooo-dev@ list.  Then, work with the podling to show the PPMC
>>> that this is a good idea, and deserves to proceed together with the
>>> excellent progress the PPMC is making on the 3.4 release.
>>> >>
>>> >> Then, if the PPMC has a clear consensus to work with such an interim
>>> release plan, we can discuss any trademark, legal, or press/messaging
>>> questions you might have.
>>> >
>>> > What is difficult for me to understand is that both Stefan Taxhet and
>>> Martin Hollmichel signed up as Initial Committers to the Apache project,
>>> but have never signed an iCLA. There are many more than four people
>>> involved.
>>> >
>>> > The Team OpenOffice website must immediately acknowledge that
>>> OpenOffice.org is a registered trademark of the Apache Software Foundation.
>>> >
>>> > The Team OpenOffice site must recognize the Apache project.
>>> >
>>> > I don't think a joint statement is appropriate without properly
>>> respectful actions beforehand.
>>>
>>> The following text on the teamopenoffice.org site is still in place!
>>>
>>> > Your donation counts: Save OpenOffice.org!
>>> > The world needs a free, open source office software – but the genuine
>>> article is under threat. We don’t want to let this happen!
>>>
>>> Ridiculous! openoffice.org is the Apache project - the genuine article is
>>> not under threat.
>>>
>>> It has been a month since:
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.itworld.com/it-managementstrategy/213997/apache-disavows-team-openofficeorg-ev
>>>
>>> I really feel that the individuals on the project want to welcome Team OOo
>>> to the project, I know I do.
>>>
>>
>> Absolutely agree. These guys are very welcome to align with this project.
>>
>>>
>>> It is my feeling that Team OOo should make a proposal to the AOOo PPMC
>>> about how they wish to use the OpenOffice.org brand.
>>>
>>> +1 We will continue to ask for this, but in the meantime, the web site
>> language you cite above must come down. There is no 'threat' to
>> OpenOffice.org.
>
> If we (Apache) use OpenOffice as product name and Apache OpenOffice as
> project name, then we can give Team OOo the OpenOffice.org brand and
> trademark?
>

I don't think so.  Part of protecting a brand is to prevent "confusing
similarity".,  For example, we could not go out and sell soft drinks
under the name "Coca-Cola.org" or pizza under the name "Pizza
Hut.net".

-Rob

> Thanks,
> khirano
>

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