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From Rob Weir <>
Subject Re: request
Date Thu, 03 Nov 2011 11:28:06 GMT
On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 4:59 AM, Ariel Constenla-Haile
<> wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 03, 2011 at 09:16:43AM +0100, J├╝rgen Schmidt wrote:
>> >>There was a large effort to handle the redirector to the different NL. NL
>> >>are not translations of the homepage are different communities in itself.
>> >>Something that was governance with the NLC and other structures.
> N-L Projects had Project Leads
> You can read some rules in
> Basically, N-L Projects were managed by Project Leads.
> IMO fortunately in The Apache Way there is no place for Project Leads
> anymore.

We are a single project.  But someone can still volunteer to "take the
lead" on something.  So Dave Fisher took the lead in getting the OOo
website moved over to Apache.  We all acknowledge his enthusiasm and
skill in this area, the generosity of his time. No one appointed him
"Webmaster" or "Lead" for that effort.  But he is the de facto lead
for that effort because he demonstrated leadership and volunteered to
lead that effort.  But next week it could be someone else doing the
same task.  It is very fluid.

I think OOo was more vertical and hierarchical in how the project was
structured, with formal roles and leads that defined domains of
exclusive control.  There is nothing wrong with that.  Most
corporations are like that.  Apache projects are more horizontal.
There are no predefined roles.  But we naturally have different
interests and skills and our efforts naturally sort themselves
according to those preferences.  And these interests might change over
time.  But there are no formal appointed leads.  It is more about
coordination than control.

That's my view of how it works.  Others may be a different view of
this.  That is expected.  No one has exclusive control over saying
what the Apache Way means.


>> >>NL like
>> >>ES, FR and JA are structurally different to the EN homepage.
>> >>
>> >>There was a whole body of work so that it was easy for people to locate
>> >>their NLC. Might be a good idea to see how much this change from the
>> >>ooo-site and the openofficeorg tree.
>> >
>> >I've found that each NL site has very much their own main page.
>> >
>> >ES is especially different.
>> >
>> >I don't have a favorite, each has a certain charm and style.
> [...]
>> >The concern I have about other language versions within the podling
>> >site that they will diverge. Someone will change the en version and
>> >won't be able to change the zh, ja, or de versions. The maintainer of
>> >a version may move on.
>> >
>> >The existing NL sites are proof of this divergence. The DE site is
>> >very large and also quite out of date. I think that community moved
>> >onto the wiki some time ago.
>> or the maintainer moved to LibreOffice. Anyway as i mentioned before
>> i would prefer to have translated pages with the same content only.
>> It makes things much easier.
> +1
> as you said before, NL project will be better o the wiki, and let the
> $ be just a translation of, with
> the same look and feel as the main site.
> Regards
> --
> Ariel Constenla-Haile
> La Plata, Argentina

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