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From Rob Weir <>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS]+[VOTE] Trademark and Branding
Date Thu, 17 Nov 2011 13:43:01 GMT
I just noticed that Dennis started an independent discussion thread on
the branding vote on the forums:

Although it had the best intentions, the thread quickly degenerated
into discussions on how to vote without subscribing to to ooo-dev,
complaining about Apache and the Apache Way, and personal attacks,

But most of all, the thread was entirely ineffective.  Although it may
have triggered a few additional votes, by having this fragmented
discussion in an obscure forum thread which is never seen by the vast
majority of the PPMC, it had almost zero influence on anyone else's
opinions.  There is a reason why we have a [DISCUSSION] thread on
ooo-dev in parallel to a [VOTE] thread.  This is so you can make an
argument for your position and potentially persuade others.

So I'd urge, in the future, if there is a community-wide discussion or
vote, to come to where the core discussion and vote is occurring and
make your views know here.  You can always unscubscribe to the list
after the vote if you have no further interest.



On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 10:35 PM, Donald Harbison <> wrote:
> We've had a lengthy discussion on ooo-marketing regarding trademark and
> branding considerations and options. It's time we moved forward and made a
> decision in order to expedite the ongoing migration of the web site and to
> remove one more obstacle from the dev team.
> We want to preserve and protect the historic trademark. The
> choice of an Apache name and new trademark will not impact the historic
> mark as granted to the Apache Software Foundation for stewardship.
> Since this is a major decision we felt it important to bring it back to
> ooo-dev for final discussion then vote. We have the choices presented on
> the wiki[1] for your reference.
> [1]**confluence/display/OOOUSERS/**
> Branding+Planning<>

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