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From Rob Weir <>
Subject Re: [ISSUE] Shut-down of all name@ e-mail addresses
Date Thu, 03 Nov 2011 23:18:13 GMT
On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 5:14 PM, Rob Weir <> wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 3:45 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton <> wrote:
>> Rob speaketh,
>>   ... let's admit that almost all of the 500,000
>>   addresses are unused or were created by spammers and have zero
>>   relevancy to the project.
>> So, what is "almost all" of 500,000, and how can it be determined?  How many
>> are left?
> If you run a report on the BZ instance you see only 8700 or so unique
> ID's have ever been used for submitting defects.  So 83% of the
> 500,000 ID's are irrelevant from the perspective of BZ.  Maybe the
> remaining 420,000 users are furiously editing the wiki, but somehow I
> doubt that as well.

It was reported off list that my calculation was in error.  I lost a
digit some place.  8746 accounts have submitted issues in Bugzilla.
So given the claimed 500,000 email addresses that have
been assigned, that means that 99.99% of them are not involved in
reporting defects in BZ.  I know that the figure 99.99% sounds like
hyperbole, but do the math yourself.

> We could narrow that down further by those who are reporters on issues
> that are still open and get a more manageable number that could be
> send a notification that the mail forwarder is going
> away, with instructions on how to reset their email.
> In any case, let's stop with the hysteria of the 500,000 accounts.
> That has no basis in reality.  Not even LibreOffice is claiming that
> many project participants.
>> It would be more interesting to know how many forwards are happening via
>> over recent times, yes?
> The number of forwards is irrelevant from the perspective of the
> project.  ASF is not in the business of forwarding emails.  What is
> relevant is our ability to communicate with people who have submitted
> defect reports.   I think there are far easier ways of accomplishing
> this, provided we act diligently and start notifying users that the
> forwarding accounts are going away.  Remember, the
> email address aliases are public.  Anyone can create a report of such
> user accounts in BZ and send them a note.  So no data protection
> issues are involved in notifying them that the service is going away.
> -Rob
>> Do you have that information?  Can it be obtained?
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rob Weir []
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2011 12:13
>> To:
>> Subject: Re: [ISSUE] Shut-down of all name@ e-mail addresses
>> On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 2:34 PM, Pedro Giffuni <> wrote:
>>> --- On Tue, 11/1/11, Dave Fisher <> wrote:
>>>> Questions for the BZ, Forums and MWiki. Is there a way for
>>>> people registered in those systems with an @OOo email to
>>>> change their address without losing their content?
>>> I won't miss what I never had, but ...
>>> For BZ it's easy to change the email address. Just go to
>>> Preferences --> Account information.
>> So is there any way to solve a more constrained problem?  In other
>> words, let's admit that almost all of the 500,000
>> addresses are unused or were created by spammers and have zero
>> relevancy to the project.
>> Instead, we could look at all new BZ issues created in the last year,
>> all forum and wiki members who have logged in in the last year, and
>> all ooo-* list members.  From those lists, get the list of all those
>> with addresses.  Send them a note saying that the
>> forwarding service is going away.  Tell them how to reset their email
>> address in the tools.  On top of that put a prominent notice on the
>> wiki, forums and website to catch any users we might have missed.
>> -Rob
>>> cheers,
>>> Pedro.

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